Glyphs for the Pally (especially Prot)Follow

glyphs for Prot are undewhelming right now. Glyph of concecrate is mildly useful, incresing radius of consecrate. Then you have RD, which makes RD more likley to work, and, umm...avengers shield, which concentrates the shield onto a single target instead of spamming 3, which is questionably useful.

Glyph of judgement is probably a good one, with its 10% judgement damage, since you'll be judging regularly this is a good bit of damage/threat.

Pally glyphs are still a bit lame, and there's nothing that increases defense or threat gen directly.

Not sure how up to date this is...but it gives some idea of what we have atm...

Glyph info page...

I have a glyph that gives a bonus 2% mana from spritual attunement. A guildie gave it to me, haven't seen many others yet.

If you tank with Seal of Blood (or the new Alliance equivalent, Seal of the Martyr), then Glyph of Seal of Blood looks pretty sweet, with its +10% to mana regenerated through Spiritual Attunement.

http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Inscription#tab=Paladin

I'm inclined to think it's meant to be a tanking glyph since Ret pallies apparently have no mana pool issues at the moment.

There's not much else on the list that's looking very sexy at the moment.

I don't think that Glyph of Avenger's Shield or Spiritual Attunement will be fantastic. For a start, the new BoSanc has practically eliminated any need for mana control in raid situations and I seem to be pulling ridiculous amounts of TPS with normal Avenger's Shield, negating the need for the glyph although I guess it could still be handy.

In saying that, I had double a PvE spec Ret paladin threat on Onyixa yesterday consistently. Seems like enough TPS to me.

I have been using the judgement damage increase one and consecration one, awesome. As far as minor, my friend discovered one that gives about 20% more mana for lay of hands so I use that. As a Ret spec for now (I am leveling), I seem to never run out of mana. however when I tank instances (Did ZF and ST recently :D) having the improved mana is great for throwing on my healers. Longer consecration means longer threat generation.
If you spam the consecration at 10seconds (up from 8 with glyph) 4 times in a boss fight, you just got yourself a free Consecrate :), that's how I see it. And at level 49, consecrate can eat lots of mana :(

That is also how I currently feel. However, I'm trying to see if the FoL glyph can be useful for Holy. It would require a complete spin on how we currently heal (i.e. you can't spam FoL on a single target for it to be effective). Maybe go the Holy Shock -> FoL if you need a slightly bigger heal. Otherwise, splash it around the raid. /shrug. I'm not sure yet. It just seems like there should be a way for Holy to use this effectively.

I too agree with this YJM. I do have some nagging questions about the HL glyph and haven't had time to test it yet. One question I had, which I believe I found an answer to, was - is the 10% an add-on or deduction? I'm fairly comfortable at this point concluding that it's an add-on (in other words, throwing a HL grants 100% to the target and 10% to the friendlies as opposed to 90/10). For me, the tooltip was ambiguous on that point.

And I've seen some intriguing posts on EJ. One indicated that the main target also gets an additional 10%. Another confirmed, saying his/her main target got the 10% when no one else was in range of the "splash." I haven't found anything further on it, but I haven't researched it extensively either. It is interesting though.

There is one huge problem with this though: needing to be at a Lexicon of Power in order to place a Glyph. Those bears are an extremely small part of the instance, whereas most (if not all) the rest of the instance Avenger's Shield hitting 3 targets is fantastic.

If you're having trouble with an off tank pulling a target away from you, simply do not use Avenger's Shield right off the bat. What I did was body pull and use my Judgement, and once the OT was ok I then used AS for some more threat.

I don't think the few times you would want a single target AS is worth losing out on all those times you want a 3 target AS, particularly when there are other ways around the issue.

A guildie of mine is a scribe (inscriptionist) and he discovered:

Glyph of Greater Blessing of Wisdom
Minor Glyph
Increases the duration of your Greater Blessing of Wisdom Spell by 20 minutes when cast on yourself.

This is probably not great for 5-mans, but MIGHT be handy for questing, and probably WOULD be somewhat useful in a raid setting...

I don't see it as being particularly "special" by any means, but since he offered me one for free (and i don't have any minor glyphs yet) I guess I will use it :)

I use spiritual attunement and consecration. I hav no minor glyphs since I havent found any to my liking on teh server yet and the other majors are mildly useful (read too situational). And I rarely have mana problems.

It can be incredibly useful in many situations. Lets face it, we can pull with avengers and whether it hits 1 or 3, they're all running into your consecrate pile.

I'm really thinking about this glyph, especially in the expansion when we don't overgear everything. It's meh for 5 mans, but in just about every raid theres a MT/OT and paladins are just....clumsy in either situation when trying to work with another tank.

What if you ARE the main tank, and you body pull, judgement, then have to back the thing out? DPS is unloading, and lets face it, DPS will always unload on skull no matter how many times you tell them l2omen.

Now we have hammer of righteous, consecrate, avengers shield is still slamming 3 targets. Judgement is not that much in the way of up front burst threat for either a main tanking role or an off tanking roll. I think this glyph is incredibly useful for every single multi tank pull in the game, and it doesn't matter if you're MT, OT or anything else.

Plus, lets say you're assigned 2 mobs to tank, now you can judge one and avengers the other without relying on misdirects or worrying about pulling the whole group which can 1 shot you when you don't overgear the instance.


For normal dungeons this is totally meh, but you can learn to live with it. For raiding, it seems amazing.



Really? I'd even argue it was designed for a paladin main tanking role. Picture any raid instance, 10 man with 2 tanks or 25 man with 4-5 tanks. A large pull is ahead, you are the main tank and nobody overgears the instance (progression). You can't pull the group of 5/8 yourself, you'll get destroyed. Your only 2 targets are skull and X, you must hold huge threat on those but not touch the others.


Everything we do (minus judgements and white swings) is AoE and will aggro the whole group, who will turn and 1 shot you. So you have to drag your targets away from the group then unload threat on them, but the raid has already started DPS and will probably pull.

Druids and warriors have no problems whatsoever with pulls like these, but paladins are incredibly clumsy. Sure you can blame your DPS, but you can also step your game up, get this glyph and learn to be a main tank. Take pride in the fact your DPS can unload the second you hit the mob.

Edited, Oct 24th 2008 7:30pm by mikelolol

Heh, while I definately love my pally tank, I also love my druid tank, and he most definately has no issues producing massive single target threat. And the nice thing about warriors/druids is they can do it in a crowded area with CC on their feet, pumping max TPS while not breaking anything with AoE. Paladins are at an immediate threat disadvantage in any multi tank situation because they have to drag their mobs away from the crowd while holding back on most of their real TPS abilities until the mobs in a safe spot. So currently it's what, judge + autoswing? Maybe if you have a raid that's extremely disciplined.



At this point I'm not even seeing the big deal with the multi target pull anyways. Generally I pull then holy shield, consecrate then hammer of righteous. Even if it were a single target shield toss, the whole pack would still come to me. They'd still walk right into my consecrate, and 3 of them would still get hit with my hammer. What do I care if my shield only hits one of them?

It's easy to figure out "solutions" to these issues as you say, but I'd rather not hold up an entire raid discussing silly workarounds for our total lack of a precision pulling mechanism. People just want tanks to stop talking and pull.


Then again I like tanking fast, I like raiding fast, I'm of the opinion there shouldn't be more then 20 seconds spent explaining any individual trash pull unless it's obscenely complicated (most aren't, though people will make them out to be).

Single target shield, I throw at skull, judge X, move to my spot good to go. Raid can max dps the whole time, don't need a round table discussion for our next trash pull, all I have to hear is "mike you got skull and X k go"

Edited, Oct 25th 2008 5:07am by mikelolol