Not really, but I do need some help if anyone has time to give it. I totally do not know exactly what my specs were, after having tweaked them quite a few times because of advice given here and other places and then leaving them alone for quite a while, so I am starting this spec brand new with better understanding of what I'm doing (I think), yet I am still a pretty new 70, etc.
I am a casual-ish PVPer (a little more than casual, maybe, but definitely not hardcore, more world PVP than BG/Arena), I solo quite a bit while leveling, and I definitely want to raid. I am seriously thinking about fire when raiding, frost when PVP and leveling, but since the dual spec system isn't out yet, I'm trying to find a frost build that works for me overall. Here's what I have right now. Please let me know if you see any glaring oversights, or have any pointers at all.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=ofcbzZZIIcIRfuordMbso
Thanks in advance,
Trill
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Hi Trill -
I'm not an expert, but here's my take.
I'd get rid of most of the points you put into Arcane, unless you really need the +spell hit points.
I'd put those 10 points into Arctic Winds (5), 4 more into Chilled to the Bone, and 1 more into winters chill.
Also, I'm not sure Improved Blizzard is worth it, and I'm very interested to see if Finger's of Frost turns out to be worth it.
I'm not an expert, but here's my take.
I'd get rid of most of the points you put into Arcane, unless you really need the +spell hit points.
I'd put those 10 points into Arctic Winds (5), 4 more into Chilled to the Bone, and 1 more into winters chill.
Also, I'm not sure Improved Blizzard is worth it, and I'm very interested to see if Finger's of Frost turns out to be worth it.
Revised to this after some advice on IRC :)
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=ofcbzZZIIcIRfuordMbso
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=ofcbzZZIIcIRfuordMbso
Okay I know I'm talking to myself in this thread, but getting good advice on IRC, and maybe this will help other noob frosties like me. Here's another revision:
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=of0VZZAIccRfu0rdMbsL
Reason for changes: don't really need the resistances, and Clearcasting > Impact
I think I'll stick to this one for a bit. :)
THANK YOU IRC PERSON WHOSE NAME I'M NOT SURE I SHOULD SAY ON HERE! :)
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=of0VZZAIccRfu0rdMbsL
Reason for changes: don't really need the resistances, and Clearcasting > Impact
I think I'll stick to this one for a bit. :)
THANK YOU IRC PERSON WHOSE NAME I'M NOT SURE I SHOULD SAY ON HERE! :)
lol - so what am I, chopped liver?
Anyway - I still think you're sacrificing a lot of damage for clearcasting and some fairly useless tier 1 arcane tallents.
The way I see it 10% chance to cast a free spell is not nearly as good as 15% to cast a free and instant fireball!
I'd take all the points in arcane and put 3 into Brain Freeze, 1 more into chilled to the bone, 5 into Arctic Winds, and you've got one more to play with (winters chill).
Anyway - I still think you're sacrificing a lot of damage for clearcasting and some fairly useless tier 1 arcane tallents.
The way I see it 10% chance to cast a free spell is not nearly as good as 15% to cast a free and instant fireball!
I'd take all the points in arcane and put 3 into Brain Freeze, 1 more into chilled to the bone, 5 into Arctic Winds, and you've got one more to play with (winters chill).
Ok - so here is the spec I plan on starting with
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZZAIffobu0fdgfst
But I haven't done any raiding besides a little Kara.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oZZAIffobu0fdgfst
But I haven't done any raiding besides a little Kara.
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I got about a half hour of play in last night with the new talents and being primarily frost i decided to tinker around with em.
The free/instant fireball from Brain Freeze is gnarly. And atm it procs ALOT. Damn near every time I went into combat, several times with multiple procs on the same target.
Fingers of Frost was cool too. Like... 5/6-crit-in-a-row cool, between that and Winter's Chill/Shatter.
Personally I'mma hold onto both talents for now, and just watch and see where or if the nerf bat lands.
Just my two cents.
The free/instant fireball from Brain Freeze is gnarly. And atm it procs ALOT. Damn near every time I went into combat, several times with multiple procs on the same target.
Fingers of Frost was cool too. Like... 5/6-crit-in-a-row cool, between that and Winter's Chill/Shatter.
Personally I'mma hold onto both talents for now, and just watch and see where or if the nerf bat lands.
Just my two cents.
I agree, Brain Freeze seems to proc a lot! I was trying out the new talents in BEM (my newly 70 mage hadn't done any quests there yet hehe) and was very impressed with deep frost. On several occasions I got sumultaneous FoF and BF procs. Ogres were dropping like flies and my mana only went below 50 if i got overzealous and pulled too many by mistake. I'm hoping no nerf bat on this one, but it may be too good to last.
Right now I have a 3/0/58 build. I figured I'd put the 3 in AF to help with sheeping when I'm in instances. I may switch that out to add more to Chilled to the Bone (or possibly Shattered Barrier, as I need to run a lot of bg's now to farm honor). The one point in ImpBlizz is purely for pvp purposes.
Any thoughts or comments (constructive or otherwise) on this build or even my crappy gear (see signature) welcome.
Right now I have a 3/0/58 build. I figured I'd put the 3 in AF to help with sheeping when I'm in instances. I may switch that out to add more to Chilled to the Bone (or possibly Shattered Barrier, as I need to run a lot of bg's now to farm honor). The one point in ImpBlizz is purely for pvp purposes.
Any thoughts or comments (constructive or otherwise) on this build or even my crappy gear (see signature) welcome.
Sorry trill don't mean to hijack your thread here mate but I didn't want to start another thread so I'll just add my question in here.
Could someone explain what the benefits of Deep freeze are? I feel like its a little underwhelming at the moment. Decidng to shatter crit (frostbolt + fireball/fireblast) almost always over the stun leaves me wondering why this is the end talent in frost? This is purely from a levelling pve perspective.
I'm loving brainfreeze though. Makes my shatter combo crits uber
Could someone explain what the benefits of Deep freeze are? I feel like its a little underwhelming at the moment. Decidng to shatter crit (frostbolt + fireball/fireblast) almost always over the stun leaves me wondering why this is the end talent in frost? This is purely from a levelling pve perspective.
I'm loving brainfreeze though. Makes my shatter combo crits uber
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Could someone explain what the benefits of Deep freeze are?
I'd love to hear this too. Other than a "run away" tactic for ranged/casting mobs, I can't see the benefit of loosing a CD.
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After using Deep Freeze in PvP, i realized why they took out the damage it dealt + stun and just did a 5 second stun. Deep Freeze lets you basically land a shatter combo each time without having to wory someone breaking your frost nova or the player hit you with a ranged attack making your spell pushback(rougues), not to mention during that 5 seconds you can land a sheep on someone else in a 1vsX situation, bandage yourselve, or run away.
What i really like about it though is when my Fingers of Frost proc, i like to throw just 1 frost bolt or ice lance and then hit the Deep Freeze button and then do a shatter combo, which results in basically 2 ice lance crits and 1 frostbolt crit with a chance of an awesome instant fireball. If you have points in the Improved Ice Shield and a rouge jumps you from behind, he gets frost nova'd and you blink or trinket out you can easily deep feeze him before he shadow steps to you or CoS on you. I've had this happen a few times and its much easier to win incase you dont get the first shot in.
Edited, Oct 20th 2008 5:35pm by UltimaMan
What i really like about it though is when my Fingers of Frost proc, i like to throw just 1 frost bolt or ice lance and then hit the Deep Freeze button and then do a shatter combo, which results in basically 2 ice lance crits and 1 frostbolt crit with a chance of an awesome instant fireball. If you have points in the Improved Ice Shield and a rouge jumps you from behind, he gets frost nova'd and you blink or trinket out you can easily deep feeze him before he shadow steps to you or CoS on you. I've had this happen a few times and its much easier to win incase you dont get the first shot in.
Edited, Oct 20th 2008 5:35pm by UltimaMan
YJMark wrote:
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Could someone explain what the benefits of Deep freeze are?
I'd love to hear this too. Other than a "run away" tactic for ranged/casting mobs, I can't see the benefit of loosing a CD.
Run away tactic? Try 3 free ice lance crits while any ranged or caster stares at you. Plus the pvp bonus. Think of it as another silence.
Sorry, nyyco, I didn't mean to ignore you, I was just all excited and stuff. :) I've been trying to read over info from EJ and stuff to figure out my spec to raid with, since I'm going to start doing that more. I've read the old EJ thread about mages raiding, but I guess things have changed a lot. I'll be keeping my eye on this thread, though. It may be that I might have to change to fire, since I'll be raiding w/ other fire mages, but I'm not sure about that yet. If so, the dual spec thing won't be coming out fast enough for me lol.
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Run away tactic? Try 3 free ice lance crits while any ranged or caster stares at you. Plus the pvp bonus. Think of it as another silence.
For PvP, the benefits are very obvious. For PvE, I was a little more leary. I could see the silence if CS is on CD (and aginst ranged). Seems a little weak for a 51 pt talent tho (I assume it doesn't work on bosses). I was really thinking from a purely DPS standpoint - how would it increase your DPS?
For the triple lance crits - will that do more damage than a FB/lance shatter combo + and extra FB? They would take roughly the same amount of time to cast.
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What i really like about it though is when my Fingers of Frost proc, i like to throw just 1 frost bolt or ice lance and then hit the Deep Freeze button and then do a shatter combo
ahh - this is what I was looking for. I'm going to have to try that. Thanks. It seems so obvious now that you mentioned it...lol
Edited, Oct 21st 2008 8:31am by YJMark
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What i really like about it though is when my Fingers of Frost proc, i like to throw just 1 frost bolt or ice lance and then hit the Deep Freeze button and then do a shatter combo
ahh - this is what I was looking for. I'm going to have to try that. Thanks. It seems so obvious now that you mentioned it...lol
What i really like about it though is when my Fingers of Frost proc, i like to throw just 1 frost bolt or ice lance and then hit the Deep Freeze button and then do a shatter combo
ahh - this is what I was looking for. I'm going to have to try that. Thanks. It seems so obvious now that you mentioned it...lol
Taken from Patch Notes 3.0.3
Deep Freeze: Now consumes a charge of Fingers of Frost when used.
Damit, i should've never posted.
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Damit, i should've never posted.
lol - they are probing your mind. You need to wear an Aluminum Foil hat when you think up those great ideas next time. :)
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