Kings vs. SotPFollow

As the subject states, just curious on opinions of Kings vs SotP. I realize that we will primarily be using Sanctuary, so Kings will not be needed by us much, with possible exceptions of course. I also see that SotP gives us 15% more damage on SoR, etc. However, wouldn't Kings benefit a group/raid more? I am not in Beta so I do not know if that 15% is more important for threat, or does kings imporve the group/raid more in progression.

Thanks.

I don't agree. Neither of the Retribution builds i have planned (PvE and PvP) include Kings. I'm gonna have Imp. Blessing of Might on constantly, and i run Dps/Dps in the arena.

The ret tree is stuffed with so many talents to improve personal dps, or survivability i think you'll find Kings is a much less common blessing post-patch

the way i see a Ret pve build atm, it will leave 5pts free to get Kings as a 10/61. for pvp, the pts will be tighter and Kings will be skipped.

Blizz still has the trees screwed up a bit. 2 tank blessings that you have to spec into! pally talents are so thin atm. might as well have 1 talent per tier per tree, with arrows pointing straight through to the bottom tier. label the arrows, Holy/Tank/DPS repectively.

we are the only class with only 2 first tier talents per tree(imp kings is BS). most disheartening is this: we are a 'support class' in every sense of the phrase. however, we have the lowest # of talents of all the classes(sham are same) at 76 total talent blocks. by contrast: warrior = 86! DK = 85. Druid = 83. Priest = 80.

see how many talents we need to be able to 'play' vs how many talents improve our playing.

My philosophy as a PvE healer is to get talents that are useful for the entire raid, not just me personally. From this perspective, I see Kings as a must have. I will definitely do my best to get 5 points in Kings since the 10% buff to stats is still one of the best buffs in the game.

I would like to study the math on this a bit more... Giving EVERYONE (even in a 5-man dungeon) a 10% boost to all stats increases their Armor, Attack Power, Critical Strike, Health, Mana Pool, and Mana regeneration. It seems like overall a 10% buff to all stats would be more beneficial than BoM (for physical DPS) and BoW (for casters/healers).

This is one of the reasons I am annoyed with Prot really needing to take other talents over spending 5 points in Kings, because it is the best Pally buff for everyone in my opinion, especially now that BoSalv is out.

Good to know! Now I won't feel so bad about not giving them Kings! My wife's Hunter tends to perfer Wisdom tho... In Kara last night with all of the other buffs she had and with Trueshot Aura and Aspect of the Hawk active, she had over 2000 Attack Power and 36% crit chance. She was more worried about potentially going OOM than she was about having EVEN MORE attack power at that point :)

I wasn't about to argue (it is my wife after all), so I gave her BoWis.

Seals of the Pure

Since the OP was talking about increasing threat, presumably Seals of the Pure (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20332):
"Increases the damage done by your Seal of Righteousness, Seal of Vengeance and Seal of Corruption and their Judgement effects by 15%."

I honestly am somewhat worried about getting kings in a raid. In BC, I never saw a raid that didn't have a holy paladin. I never saw a holy paladin in a raid that did not have kings. Therefore I never saw a raid that kings was not an option.

Prot paladins don't seem to want to take kings since they rarely buff themselves with it. Ret might have ROOM for kings, but does that mean they will take it in their optimal raiding build?

I can easily see raids that you cannot get kings.

To somewhat contradict myself (see my earlier post) I think I agree with you here.

Turning Kings into a 5 point talent makes it a lot harder to sacrfice points elsewhere. In my current holy build, I could not pass up going deep enough into the Ret tree to get the extra 8% crit from Conviction (5/5) and Sanctified Seals (3/3). Right now I'm 43/0/18. I'm still trying it out to get a feel for it, but at level 70 I can't really see getting Kings for 5 points instead of going into Ret for 8% crit or deep enough into Holy to get DI.

I'll stick by my philosophy of getting talents to help the raid, but in this case at level 70, I couldn't do it.

Edited, Oct 17th 2008 3:09pm by azwing

What's more likely is that warriors will start using Commanding Shout, rather than refreshing Battle Shout every two minutes.