This is just a random musing, nothing more.
I do believe holy palas need a few more tricks so that we can
a) Have more fun healing
b) Heal in a comparable way to our counterparts, ie Priests, Druids and Shammies.
I seem to be the only person in these forums who likes Beacon of Light, but then again I haven't played holy for a long time and thus don't really have an informed opinion. But the one thing I like about that spell is that it feels different from other heals.
I think it's important for spells to feel and look different and that's why an idea for a new spell ocurred to me. The spell could be called Guardian Angel or Divine Protector and the mechanics would be that "Summons a Guardian Angel to heal target for 30 secs. Cooldown 3 mins". Guardian Angel would have its own Mana Bar and while summonned clicking on the spell would cast FoL (scaling with caster's own Spell Bonus) on target NOT sharing GCD with your own heals, which could be targeted to other party members. Combining this with Beacon of Light would be like having 2 healers on Tank while you healed the rest of the raid.
This healing spell would allow caster to heal more targets whilst making it harder on him too, ofc. It'd feel different from other healers, and it would have a nice visual component to boot.
Just an idea.
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Just a few things;
It's *Bacon of light. And I like it too, actually =P I can see the problems with it, but still... If they change it so that your Beacon gets 100% of the amount healed on other targets rather than 100% of the EFFECTIVE amount healed on other targets, it becomes quite a nice ability to play around with.
Guardian Angel is the new priest Holy tree 51-pointer...
While I like the idea, it sounds a bit OP to me. In a 2v2 arena you just pop this up and voila, you've got yourselves 2 healers for 30 seconds, effectively ******** over any double DPS team. A healing pet does sound interesting but there's a whole lot of balance issues to adres.
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I seem to be the only person in these forums who likes Beacon of Light,
It's *Bacon of light. And I like it too, actually =P I can see the problems with it, but still... If they change it so that your Beacon gets 100% of the amount healed on other targets rather than 100% of the EFFECTIVE amount healed on other targets, it becomes quite a nice ability to play around with.
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I think it's important for spells to feel and look different and that's why an idea for a new spell ocurred to me. The spell could be called Guardian Angel or Divine Protector
Guardian Angel is the new priest Holy tree 51-pointer...
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and the mechanics would be that "Summons a Guardian Angel to heal target for 30 secs. Cooldown 3 mins". Guardian Angel would have its own Mana Bar and while summonned clicking on the spell would cast FoL (scaling with caster's own Spell Bonus) on target NOT sharing GCD with your own heals, which could be targeted to other party members. Combining this with Beacon of Light would be like having 2 healers on Tank while you healed the rest of the raid.
While I like the idea, it sounds a bit OP to me. In a 2v2 arena you just pop this up and voila, you've got yourselves 2 healers for 30 seconds, effectively ******** over any double DPS team. A healing pet does sound interesting but there's a whole lot of balance issues to adres.
You'd just make it weak enough that it can be burned down quickly in PvP. Although it would be better if it functioned as a summonable pet, with its own command bar.
Meh. Paladin healing is getting old, stale and busticated.
The last couple rounds of MMO's have really been trying to turn healing on its side and bring in some innovative ideas. Warhammer has really hit the nail on the head though. If you look at the Warrior Priest and the spells he brings to the table for healing compared to anything in WoW and you are left wanting. At lvl 8 you have a direct heal + hot, HoT, attacks that give a % of damage done back as heals to people around you, a buff that works like JoL but better and more. It only increases from there. And that isn't even bringing in the fact that there is no mana bar in the wow sense of it. You have an energy bar like a rogue and a casting pool. Whenever you use your energy bar to do dps your mana bar goes up. When you cast to heal you arent attacking so your energy bar goes up. Finally a melee healer who can do both (not top end dipiss but you are in the mix) and heal tanks and melee around them. Compare that to Paladins in WoW and it isn't even in the same level its like comparing a rusted out 1992 Datsun against a Bentley.
I dunno, pally healing is boring as is shammy and to a lesser extent druid in pve. Same with the spell rotations of most dps classes. Blizzard should have used this expac as an opportunity to put more depth into the game. Right now PvE its pretty lame, PvP is a little better but honestly compared to Warhammer its obsolete.
Edited, Oct 13th 2008 8:58am by bodhisattva
The last couple rounds of MMO's have really been trying to turn healing on its side and bring in some innovative ideas. Warhammer has really hit the nail on the head though. If you look at the Warrior Priest and the spells he brings to the table for healing compared to anything in WoW and you are left wanting. At lvl 8 you have a direct heal + hot, HoT, attacks that give a % of damage done back as heals to people around you, a buff that works like JoL but better and more. It only increases from there. And that isn't even bringing in the fact that there is no mana bar in the wow sense of it. You have an energy bar like a rogue and a casting pool. Whenever you use your energy bar to do dps your mana bar goes up. When you cast to heal you arent attacking so your energy bar goes up. Finally a melee healer who can do both (not top end dipiss but you are in the mix) and heal tanks and melee around them. Compare that to Paladins in WoW and it isn't even in the same level its like comparing a rusted out 1992 Datsun against a Bentley.
I dunno, pally healing is boring as is shammy and to a lesser extent druid in pve. Same with the spell rotations of most dps classes. Blizzard should have used this expac as an opportunity to put more depth into the game. Right now PvE its pretty lame, PvP is a little better but honestly compared to Warhammer its obsolete.
Edited, Oct 13th 2008 8:58am by bodhisattva
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If that's how you feel about it, then continue to play WAR and the rest of us will continue to play a crappy healer.
Bode - With the additional stuff in WotLK, you still think that Pally healing will be boring? I'm pretty psyched to try it out. Yeah, nothing uber-new, but there seem to be some neat tricks. Also, with the removal of downranking, I have no idea how things will be. I'm actually really excited to try it out. Holy Shocking, Judging, Shielding, Baconing, Hands, and even LoHing.
It would be really nice if Judgement of Light actually healed casters and ranged too though. Then it would be sweet :)
It would be really nice if Judgement of Light actually healed casters and ranged too though. Then it would be sweet :)
I've been there and back again with Paladin healing.
From struggling in a kara guilds 3rd kara group which consisted of 80% spanish speaking to hustling through taking down Kael/Vashj before attunement removal, server first ZJ kill the day of its release to farming 20+ bears and writing guides for alla on how to do it, to working through BT/Hyjal to finally being an officer and raiding through SWP handing out healing assignments and having fun with Muru. Also gone 2k in Arenas as holy as well.
Being a Holy Paladin is not hard, at all. In fact the game is not hard at all. The removal of downranking takes away a mix of complexity. Holy shock should already be keybound and ready to used or you are bad, the changes to it make it a little more useable but at this point if you are in entry level BT gear you should be able to support using it. The new end point heal is meh and does nothing to address our weaknesses as a healer in a raid environment that seems to become more and more raid heal heavy especially into SWP or our deficiencies in PvP. Popping judgements at range is not combat. We are a stationary 2 button healers. Get grid, get clique assign FoL to left click, HL to right click, Holy Shock to middle mouse button. Spam heals and dont stand in fire, and you win the game. Of course being able to gauge incoming damage spikes, position yourself for maximum effectiveness etc is key but end of the day, bleh I have a feeling my Spriest is going Holy in Wotlk.
From struggling in a kara guilds 3rd kara group which consisted of 80% spanish speaking to hustling through taking down Kael/Vashj before attunement removal, server first ZJ kill the day of its release to farming 20+ bears and writing guides for alla on how to do it, to working through BT/Hyjal to finally being an officer and raiding through SWP handing out healing assignments and having fun with Muru. Also gone 2k in Arenas as holy as well.
Being a Holy Paladin is not hard, at all. In fact the game is not hard at all. The removal of downranking takes away a mix of complexity. Holy shock should already be keybound and ready to used or you are bad, the changes to it make it a little more useable but at this point if you are in entry level BT gear you should be able to support using it. The new end point heal is meh and does nothing to address our weaknesses as a healer in a raid environment that seems to become more and more raid heal heavy especially into SWP or our deficiencies in PvP. Popping judgements at range is not combat. We are a stationary 2 button healers. Get grid, get clique assign FoL to left click, HL to right click, Holy Shock to middle mouse button. Spam heals and dont stand in fire, and you win the game. Of course being able to gauge incoming damage spikes, position yourself for maximum effectiveness etc is key but end of the day, bleh I have a feeling my Spriest is going Holy in Wotlk.
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look at bode acting like he's healed before pffffft. I know better.
I wasn't talking about difficulty level. Yes, every single class and spec in this game is fairly easy and straight forward. But with this patch, Paladins have essentially doubled the amount of tools they were previously using. Holy Shock was keyed, but rarely used. LoH was barely ever used due to the fact that you're basically done healing anything significant at that point. Both of those can now be used fairly often. 2 extra instant cast heals :)
Add Bacon (which I think can have some serious potential if it was properly tweaked), a PW:S, some glyphs, and you have some fun tools to work with.
I haven't played the class to death like you have though, so maybe that's why I still like it. /shrug Ignorance can be bliss :)
I'm still looking forward to seeing how it goes.
Add Bacon (which I think can have some serious potential if it was properly tweaked), a PW:S, some glyphs, and you have some fun tools to work with.
I haven't played the class to death like you have though, so maybe that's why I still like it. /shrug Ignorance can be bliss :)
I'm still looking forward to seeing how it goes.
I already used Holy Shock, but to be fair the changes to it are nice and it will become a much greater tool in helping clutch healing, divine favor + shock + insta HL = gewd, amirite? We also get to add AW into our list of spells. The Hand spells will add something for PvE even if they hurt PvP (sacrifice).
End of the day I still stand in 1 spot, move out of AOE, and use 2-3 assigned mouse keys repetitively while having another 3 or so assigned and ready to use sporadicly. At least I can thank bob that I am not a shaman spamming 1 spell though.
End of the day I still stand in 1 spot, move out of AOE, and use 2-3 assigned mouse keys repetitively while having another 3 or so assigned and ready to use sporadicly. At least I can thank bob that I am not a shaman spamming 1 spell though.
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