I looked and I couldn't find an answer. Sorry I have to make a new post. My question is.
I just made the decision to switch from Feral to Healing. I need to know a good healing spec. I'll mostly be doing PVP. Note. I repeat. I will mostly be doing PVP. No raiding. I will respec feral for raiding and tank. I just need to know a good solid healing build for PVP, but it would be nice if it worked for 5mans also. Thanks in advance guys!!
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A question...but no question mark?! :D
Anyway, onto your topic. I'd say as long as you are pretty well geared, you'd be able to heal 5-mans in your pvp spec. The resto tree is full of either really crappy or really good talents. Anything that helps your Healing Touch spell can be ignored. If you're using HT that much that you'd benefit greatly from the talent, it's likely that you have no idea how to heal as a resto druid ;). The biggest difference between pvp and raid specs are that pvp has no ToL form, which is big for raids/5-mans. Don't expect to get serious about 5-mans with a straight pvp spec though. Most people doing instances will expect you to have tree form.
Edit: Oops. I didn't really answer your question. Here, try this: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?tal=01430000000000000000005023010000000000000050050350031500531051
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 12:56am by jeffoncom
Anyway, onto your topic. I'd say as long as you are pretty well geared, you'd be able to heal 5-mans in your pvp spec. The resto tree is full of either really crappy or really good talents. Anything that helps your Healing Touch spell can be ignored. If you're using HT that much that you'd benefit greatly from the talent, it's likely that you have no idea how to heal as a resto druid ;). The biggest difference between pvp and raid specs are that pvp has no ToL form, which is big for raids/5-mans. Don't expect to get serious about 5-mans with a straight pvp spec though. Most people doing instances will expect you to have tree form.
Edit: Oops. I didn't really answer your question. Here, try this: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?tal=01430000000000000000005023010000000000000050050350031500531051
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 12:56am by jeffoncom
The above poster pretty much hit it perfectly, except for living spirit. If you're going to be in pvp, I'm going to assume you'll be using PvP gear, which has no spirit. So, you should follow Jeffoncom's build, except perhaps moving the three points in living spirit into Natural Perfection or Natural Shapeshifter.
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This is correct. I failed to plan my build according to the gear you would have. While the living spirit may help to get back some of the spirit lost on PvP gear, the points are better spent elsewhere.
As far as which talent to spend the 3 points on, more knowledge of your gear is needed, particularly the resilience. As you may know, there is a maximum of 25% damage reduction from crits. Every point of resilience is equal to .05% crit damage reduction. Therefore, ever 100 resil is 5%, and at 500 resilience you would be capped. One of the main benefits of the Natural Perfection talent is that when you get hit, there is a chance to get a buff that decreases all damage. If, however, you are at the cap of 25% already, the buff would have no additional effect. The spell crit gained is still active, but that alone does not merit spending the points in Natural Perfection over Natural Shapeshifter.
The problem gets more complicated when you consider different levels of resilience. For example, if you are at 400 resil should you still get the talent? The talent is a 3-pointer with different levels of damage reduction based on the number of talent points spent:
1 point - 2% damage reduction
2 points- 3% damage reduction
3 points- 4% damage reduction
So, by doing some simple math, we can conclude that:
<440 - 3 points should be spent
440-460 - 2 points should be spent
460-500 - 1 point should be spent
>500 - 0 points should be spent
As you can see, this only applies once you get fairly high resilience. This model also assumes that:
a)You want to achieve maximum damage reduction
b)The crit portion of the buff is of negligible value
There are also other things to take into consideration here. While damage reduction is nice, other stats such as stamina and intellect should not be neglected. An extra percent of damage reduction may save your life on very rare occasion, but most likely not nearly as often as some extra mana would. Don't be so concerned with stacking resilience and damage reduction that you neglect your other stats. And don't forget that PvP druids shift a lot during fights(well, at least most of the good ones do). If you find yourself consuming large amounts of mana due to frequent shifting, then Natural Shapeshifter may end up being a better talent for you to take.
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three points in living spirit into Natural Perfection or Natural Shapeshifter
This is correct. I failed to plan my build according to the gear you would have. While the living spirit may help to get back some of the spirit lost on PvP gear, the points are better spent elsewhere.
As far as which talent to spend the 3 points on, more knowledge of your gear is needed, particularly the resilience. As you may know, there is a maximum of 25% damage reduction from crits. Every point of resilience is equal to .05% crit damage reduction. Therefore, ever 100 resil is 5%, and at 500 resilience you would be capped. One of the main benefits of the Natural Perfection talent is that when you get hit, there is a chance to get a buff that decreases all damage. If, however, you are at the cap of 25% already, the buff would have no additional effect. The spell crit gained is still active, but that alone does not merit spending the points in Natural Perfection over Natural Shapeshifter.
The problem gets more complicated when you consider different levels of resilience. For example, if you are at 400 resil should you still get the talent? The talent is a 3-pointer with different levels of damage reduction based on the number of talent points spent:
1 point - 2% damage reduction
2 points- 3% damage reduction
3 points- 4% damage reduction
So, by doing some simple math, we can conclude that:
<440 - 3 points should be spent
440-460 - 2 points should be spent
460-500 - 1 point should be spent
>500 - 0 points should be spent
As you can see, this only applies once you get fairly high resilience. This model also assumes that:
a)You want to achieve maximum damage reduction
b)The crit portion of the buff is of negligible value
There are also other things to take into consideration here. While damage reduction is nice, other stats such as stamina and intellect should not be neglected. An extra percent of damage reduction may save your life on very rare occasion, but most likely not nearly as often as some extra mana would. Don't be so concerned with stacking resilience and damage reduction that you neglect your other stats. And don't forget that PvP druids shift a lot during fights(well, at least most of the good ones do). If you find yourself consuming large amounts of mana due to frequent shifting, then Natural Shapeshifter may end up being a better talent for you to take.
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8/11/42 is dead in patch 3.0.2, due out this Tuesday. Control of Nature (100% pushback resist on Cyclone) is down to 70%, and part of a tier 1 Resto talent. Feral Charge is 21 deep in the Feral tree, so some sort of 0/21/40 spec might work if you're going for a shape-shifting hybrid. Although 2/2 Brutal Impact for a 30 sec CD on a stun/interrupt would be nice too, so maybe 0/23/38.
Something like this, but I'm no expert on PvP.
Something like this, but I'm no expert on PvP.
This is some lovely rain we're having today. Too bad my parade is ruined. XD
For pvp healing this is going to be the build I use here.
There is a few slight differences and thats mainly because I'm a huge fan of the pounce/rake/maim combo as an opener on an unsuspecting player. It's more cc and some damage they can't mitigate for a brief period of time.
The only real big difference is my build is an increase of crit strike, an increase in expertise and a chance to refund energy if you miss, which is possible.
Meh, my .02
There is a few slight differences and thats mainly because I'm a huge fan of the pounce/rake/maim combo as an opener on an unsuspecting player. It's more cc and some damage they can't mitigate for a brief period of time.
The only real big difference is my build is an increase of crit strike, an increase in expertise and a chance to refund energy if you miss, which is possible.
Meh, my .02
Thank a lot for the information. I went with this build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0ZVGGoZxVcxcq0est
I figured it was more for my playstyle and took the advice from what you guys told me. I really did enjoy the look of this build here
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?tal=01430000000000000000005023010000000000000050050350031500531051
I might actually end up speccing to that build shortly. I did find one thing a bit odd. I haave only been healing spec for a day. But lastnight and most of today. I have noticed that I am using TOL form a lot in BG's. I haven't tested with Arena yet as my healing gear just doesn't cut it for trying arenas. I have been in top 3 healing almost everytime and been doing fine. I know that you guys mentioned that TOL form would not be used while in PVP. I hope I am not doing to much wrong, as it seems to be doing just fine for me now in BG's. I'm assuming that comment of TOL not working in PVP was for Arenas? Thanks again for all the advice and the specs you guys linked. They helped me make my decision based on my playstyle and basics for healing as a druid. Much appreciated!
I figured it was more for my playstyle and took the advice from what you guys told me. I really did enjoy the look of this build here
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?tal=01430000000000000000005023010000000000000050050350031500531051
I might actually end up speccing to that build shortly. I did find one thing a bit odd. I haave only been healing spec for a day. But lastnight and most of today. I have noticed that I am using TOL form a lot in BG's. I haven't tested with Arena yet as my healing gear just doesn't cut it for trying arenas. I have been in top 3 healing almost everytime and been doing fine. I know that you guys mentioned that TOL form would not be used while in PVP. I hope I am not doing to much wrong, as it seems to be doing just fine for me now in BG's. I'm assuming that comment of TOL not working in PVP was for Arenas? Thanks again for all the advice and the specs you guys linked. They helped me make my decision based on my playstyle and basics for healing as a druid. Much appreciated!
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you guys mentioned that TOL form would not be used while in PVP
It's not that it doesn't work. It's just generally not used as often. Being in tree form in a BG is the same as carrying a Gronn-sized sign that says 'Kill Me First Please'. As for arenas, it will also still work here, but is generally not utilized. One of the areas that druids excel in is mobility. 2 of the main 3 heals they use(Rejuv + LB) are instant cast, so they can be used while on the run. Tree form experiences a run speed penalty which takes away from the druid's mobility. This is the main reason it isn't used as much in arenas.
Run speed penalty is going away, and Tree of Life gets +100% armor with 3/3 Improved ToL (plus some bonus healing from Spirit). I'm not sure if the mana efficiency and bonus healing is worth having a big target on your head that says "I'm the healer, kill me first".
The only time you would really utilize ToL form in an arena is if you run up against a mage/rogue combo and you're the target of chain sheeping, but I really honestly don't see anything other than that you would want to use it.
Barkskin will still pull you through a rogue stunlock long enough for you to get into bear form.
I don't even spec for ToL when I pvp.
Edit: I forgot to say one thing. I utilize the same build pretty much, with just one variation. I put my talent that you have in ToL into OoC. The reasoning behind it is you can bury your innervate behind buffs if you run against any dispelling class. And like I said before, I'm a big fan of the pounce/rake/maim opener.
Edited, Oct 11th 2008 2:53am by ArexLovesPie
Barkskin will still pull you through a rogue stunlock long enough for you to get into bear form.
I don't even spec for ToL when I pvp.
Edit: I forgot to say one thing. I utilize the same build pretty much, with just one variation. I put my talent that you have in ToL into OoC. The reasoning behind it is you can bury your innervate behind buffs if you run against any dispelling class. And like I said before, I'm a big fan of the pounce/rake/maim opener.
Edited, Oct 11th 2008 2:53am by ArexLovesPie
What do you think of this build for ToL raid healing:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0VhZZ0gcuduxfuVhst
Am I missing anything?
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0VhZZ0gcuduxfuVhst
Am I missing anything?
Excuse me for butting in, as I have the same type of request as the OP i dare to hijack his thread, or at least try to.
I am new to the druid class, and I do not know anything about healing pre patch 3.0, so even less about healing post patch 3.0, and my question is: Is currently healing without tree form viable, in PvE environment?
Thanks :p
I am new to the druid class, and I do not know anything about healing pre patch 3.0, so even less about healing post patch 3.0, and my question is: Is currently healing without tree form viable, in PvE environment?
Thanks :p
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