Death for the Death KnightsFollow

I'm pretty sure that you can't kill a deathknight.

Yes, I was using the gnome thing to introduce the topic.
Yes, the pink haired gnomes creep me out.
I guess I need to continue on my rogue advancement path. Thanks for the info.
(In hind sight I should have been more explicit about the DK killer thing)

Edited, Oct 9th 2008 1:36pm by subsounder

Mages and locks were giving me some problems as blood, but that could just be because blood isn't a PVP spec.

Ret paladins are destroying everything, but chances are their burst will get nerfed even more by the time LK goes live.

A well-equipped mutilate rogue has a ton of burst potential and can seriously hamper your ability to fight back with Dismantle.

Warriors were like tin cans and I was a can opener. Non-resto shamans also went down pretty easy.

well, high burst damage takes the day most of the time in pvp. it's the nature of the game.

If i had to wager a guess, I'd say that ranged dps is the bane of a DK. Hunters, mages, locks specificly. A well played/equiped rogue will at least come annoyingly close to killing just about anyone, so having trouble with them isn't really a shocker.

My predictions, given equivalent gear/skill levels (not taking into account specs):

Hunter > DK
Warlock >= DK
Mage >= DK
Paladin = DK
Rogue <= DK
Priest < DK
Warrior < DK
Shaman < DK
Druid < DK

Hunters have to be number 1. High ranged damage, a few ways to kite you around for a few seconds. Fitting since DK's are going to replace their reputation for most morons behind the keyboard. I put warlocks second because my main's a warlock and I'm just not that scared of the DK's yet. They'll be as easy as warriors should be if they weren't immune to every kind of fear I can throw at them.

Mages get a >= instead of a > because DK's have a lot of anti-magic abilities and death grip, while mages have minimal damage mitigation. A well played frost mage will be trouble, however, if he can keep the DK away from him. Paladin should be based on spec. Ret's killing everyone (though that's getting nerfed), I dont' know much about prot, but I spend most of my time hangin' with a holy pally and I can see that fight just going on forever if the gear is equivalent.

I'm really just not sure where to put priests. That one really needs to be spec specific. I was going to rate them high as if they were more of a mage with the ability to heal, but since most of what makes me hate priests is their ability to drain mana, of which the DK has none.

Everyone else doesn't strike me as much of a threat. A well played/equipped rogue that gets the drop on you is gonna kill you no matter what you do, but any other situation, I like the DK. The rest should be easy.

I'm aware of death's grip, but it's got a 35 second cooldown and a 30 yard range. hunters can attack from 40ish yards away and mages can blink every 15 seconds. For DK's, the only spell that has a range higher than 30 lets your party walk on water.

As for "abusing my perceptions" that's what that post was for. I'm not in beta, just trying to get the conversation rolling. I welcome your list of who beats the DK's and why as well.

The kiting thing is gonna be the same for DK's as it is for warriors and rogues atm:
Ooooh I see a mage that has just Blinked = free kill for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee





pink haired gnome DK's are gonna be the new lvl 1 pink haired gnomes raiding orgri.

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Sprinkles - lvl 55 Gnome DK with Pink bunches, permanently spamming /2

Edited, Nov 9th 2008 1:01pm by redbarronthesecond

66 Elites are the Paper to my level 63 Rock.

Death Grip, Strangulate, Chains of Ice, and Mind Freeze. Those are your tools.

But casters ***** instant-casts in PvP against opponents that can silence them. They always have and they always will. There is also serious contention between the DK's ability to beat things and their ability to mess with their opponent's attacks since both are linked to runes. The more runes you spend to lock someone down, the lower your damage gets. There are also things like Ice Barrier and Mana Shield to contend with, and Hunters can't be silenced at all.

Bottom line, if a DK is going is going to beat a caster (or Hunter), it's going to be because he stays in melee range often enough and long enough to beat them down, not because he keeps them from doing anything. In general, kiters/ranged/caster specs/classes are going to have an advantage over DK's, not the other way around. I am convinced of this after playing one.