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#2. When people say PVP... they usually mean Arena because it is the MOST ACCURATE way to show how classes fair in PVP. Statistics are taken on it. It's not the case with BG's nor with world PVP. Sure there are people who think they rock in BG's and World PVP, but it's anecdotal. Hard numbers coming from Arenas show how classes fair.
Once again, I'm talking about PvP over the past ~4 years. You realize arenas haven't even been around for 2 years yet, right? Not even mentioning serious arenas; ofcourse they took ~2 months to properly balance when they were just released - Aside from the fact that they weren't exactly "unplayable by specific classes" in the first place.
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#3. I don't know why you think healers are underpowered in PVP or why you think people think that they are. They are essential to so many comps. Rogue/Druid. Rogue/Priest. Shaman/Warrior. Those 3 were probably the most common DPS/Healer comp in 2's. Mage/Rogue was one of the most popular 2's comps. Holy Shock Pallies are actually AMAZING in 2's though it wasn't a very popular choice just because there are so few. Most anyone will tell you resto druids are among the most powerful pvp classes because they are virtually impossible to kill.
Same thing. That's nowadays' PvP, what it's been like for at most 6 months. The time I'm on about is if I recall correctly about 6 months before TBC. I very well recall the general idea that PvP healing sucked and priests should spec shadow for PvP. At that time I was playing a holy priest in AV and had no problems whatsoever. And heck, I wasn't even half as good a player back then as I am now.
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If things were balanced, you'd see an EXACT correlation between class representation above 2k to actual class population.
No, you wouldn't. You basically pointed it out yourself. There are all sorts of classes who excell in all sorts of content. You see more of class X in bracket Y, and more of class Z in bracket A. And you see classes B and C rise in popularity after patch D. At the moment it just so happens to be so that Shamans are somewhat out of tune and have ended up appearing least of all classes.
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If someone is more powerful that means someone is less powerful and thus there is imbalance.
What if the 'less powerful' character is more powerful in another field of expertise? Or against another specific class? Which in turn eats the 'more powerful' class? There can be balance without equality, as long as something makes up for the loss of a specific character's usefulness.
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PVP has never been balanced and it is not currently balanced.
I said FAIRLY balanced. Ofcourse there is *SOME* imbalance. There is nearly always imbalance if you don't make every class exactly the same. It's just that over the past ~4 years, no class has been THE complete underdog of PvP. There are just a few classes who were somewhat undertuned. I'm pointing back at Warlocks and Paladins here. And they got buffed. Compare this to your other avarage MMO and WoW's balance is pretty damn good.
I'm going to end my post with your #1 so I can immediatly explain my reaction to it.
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#1. I didn't rate you down. The fact you said PVP is balanced probably got you rated down because no one believes you.
Believes or understands? You for one are still missing my point.
To go back to my opening statement, I'm saying that over the past ~4 years, PvP has been fairly balanced; there have never been serious balance issues with 1 class being completely out of tune. Your reaction to that has been stating over 2 posts that in the CURRENT version of the ARENA Shamans and paladins are least represented. And claiming I think healers are underpowered in CURRENT PvP. And as the most recent example, 5 lines up you claimed I said "PvP is balanced".
Normally I couldn't care less for ratings, but do you now see why I it annoys me? People completely miss my point and therefore downrate me. You do the same and get rated up for it. People want to downrate me? Fine, but for god's sake; first at least *attempt to* find out if I'm actually wrong. Thank you.
Edited, Oct 22nd 2008 5:38pm by Mozared