mana shield and ice barrier stack?Follow

Mana Shield Rank 7
155 Mana
Instant cast
Absorbs 715 damage, draining mana instead. Drains 2 mana per damage absorbed. Lasts 1 min.

Ice Barrier Rank 6
565 Mana
Instant cast 30 sec cooldown
Instantly shields you, absorbing 1075 damage. Lasts 1 min. While the shield holds, spells will not be interrupted.

if u have these both on you, these "stack", protecting more?

Also i want to say a frost build is bad i think, because is useless against other casters, his main good stuff is to slow the target and that have no point against other ranged guys.
Or a chill effect or when the enemy is "frozen" (cant move, dont know how is called the effect) - he cant cast spells? i dont think so.

Edited, Oct 6th 2008 4:07pm by xromania

Edited, Oct 6th 2008 4:10pm by xromania

As stated, they do stack, but I believe that ice barrier is gone first.

what u mean "w instants"?

btw i just got the water elemental, i see his bar next to my bar, but he have too a action bar or some to control it? I mean i see he dont atack until the enemy is close and can i order him to atack when i want? My actions bars can be messed up because addons, so he have a bar?

Edited, Oct 6th 2008 5:47pm by xromania

yes my pet bar was hidden by addons..
ill go back to fire, i dont like frost, little damage and this water die to fast and long cooldown. With fire u can cast like 2 times pyroblast fast using fast casting spells or sheep, then just run and wait DPS. Or is frost better?... yes the ice barrier is good and cold snap

I looked at your armory and see you are only 50. IMO Frost doesn't come into its own until you get Ice Lance @ 66 I think it was. A couple of things I wanted to point out about your current build @ 50. You have 4 points in Empowered Frostbolt and you passed up Shatter. IMO you want Shatter. Also I would max out Permafrost, Improved Frost Nova, and Frostbite for leveling. I didn't use my WE much leveling. It's 3min cooldown was mainly saved for those OH CRAP moments or if I was getting ganked. Also Empowered Frostbolt sounds nice, but really doesn't have its full potential punch until you start stacking spell damage at 70. I promise the 4% crit you will loose will be trumped by the frostbite/nova shatter crits.

If you really want to use the frost tree to its potential at your current level drop Frostbite altogether, max out Improved Blizzard and Permafrost and check the forums for some guides to AOE leveling. I did very few quests through my 50s.

This is of course all irrelevant if you are into PVPing that much at 50. But at 70 I'd say given all things equal a frost mage would be in a better position than a fire mage 8 of 10 ten times.

Shatter means that if the mob/person is frozen in place (with frostbite or frost nova) [or rooted there as some would call it] they are "Frozen". Shatter makes it so while they are frozen in place you have a 50% (!) chance to critically hit them while they are stuck there. A lot of people would wind up a frostbolt and then follow with a fireblast (until 66 when you can use an icelance for much cheaper) and that will do a very large amount of damage very quickly.

A chill effect is one that slows down a mob/person (frostbolt, cone of cold, blizzard, ice armor)


The diminishing returns that they spoke of is only in PvP, there is no such thing against mobs/monsters/whatever and it lasts much longer.

I just changed to frost at 66 and it does a TON of damage, up there with fire. But that's because of the spell ice lance. You will not get that until 66. Until then frost will be basically casting frostbolts and fireblasting when the enemy is frozen. So if you go back to fire, try frost again at 66.

The secret to frost damage is called the shatter combo. You need to put 5 points in shatter for this reason. What happens is that when an enemy is frozen, you cast frostbolt and then the second the frostbolt releases you hit icelance (or fireblast if you don't have icelance yet). Both spells hit at the same time and, if you are lucky, crit. I regularly do 4k damage with my shatter combos -- more than a pyroblast with combustion. It's very tricky to pull off in PvP because most classes can get out of a frost nova or interrupt your frostbolt, but wow, when you do it correctly your enemy is dead.

A chill effect means the enemy is slowed by a frost spell. That happens when a monster hits any mage's ice armor, or an enemy is hit with frostbolt or cone of cold. A freeze is when an enemy is surrounded in ice by a frost spell and cannot move. Any type of mage can chill an enemy with a frostbolt (slowing it) or freeze them with frost nova (making them unable to move). But frost mages have a talent (frostbite) that gives certain spells that have a chill effect a 10% chance to also freeze an enemy in place. That includes cone of cold, ice armor and frostbolt. So if you keep casting frostbolt at an enemy as a frost mage, the enemy eventually will become frozen. When they are frozen you have a +50% chance to crit them (you will almost always crit them).

Ice lance does triple damage against frozen targets, so that 180 damage becomes 540. Except it also benefits from bonus spell damage. If you are 50 you don't have much of this yet but when you are 66 you will have about 350. So it really does 180+350(really more like 175 due to technical issues but lets keep it simple). Now triple that because the enemy is frozen. Now double that if you get a crit (and you will if you have the talent shatter). You see where these big numbers come from? My icelance crits for 1500, my frostbolt for about 2500. Thats how I can get to 4000 on shatter combos.

Fire mages also have a random chance to stop enemies with the talent impact. It means your fire spells have a 10% chance to stun the enemy for 2 seconds. However, once an enemy is stunned, you get no extra damage on them. Yes, fire probably requires a little less attention than frost since you can just burn everything away. Frost does require more timing. I like fire and if you enjoy it more you should stick with it. Just saying that frost can be very nice too and is certainly very useful against casters. And you need to understand how it works because most mages in PvP are frost and they will freeze you and then crit you for 4,000 unless you blink out of it quickly.

The Shatter combo is also where the Water Elemental comes into play a little more. The ranged Frost Nova they can do is lovely.

And Ice Lance has several advantages that aren't readily apparant.

1) It's instant cast - low damage vs non-frozen targets (mine with ~800 Frost damage hits for ~350/hit)
2) It procs Winter's Chill - if you're dodging someone, it makes it easier to get that extra 10% crit to Frost spells built up
3) Triple damage vs Frozen targets - Deceptively nice. Especially for an instant cast. Mine crits for about 1250 each time.
4) Excellent with Shatter. Between a crit Frost Bolt and a crit Ice Lance, my shatter combos do ~5500 pts of damage each time. ~3200 from the Frost Bolt crit and another ~1250 from the Ice Lance.

Between Shatter and Winter's Chill and my base chance to crit, I'm looking at ~85% chance to crit a Frozen target. At which point, they're gonna hurt. And there are plenty of ways to get a target Frozen. I like upsetting my son by doing a Shatter combo on his ice trapped targets. :D In WotLK, there will be even more ways to get targets frozen. On the PTR the other night, I had Brain Freeze and Fingers of Frost both proc (insta-cast Fireball and target is treated as frozen for the next 2 spells) - Pulled off a Shatter combo with a Frost Bolt and a Fireball. Nice change of pace, that one.

thta is correct.

ok thanks but im asking last time just this - frostbolt can froze the enemy sometimes? so the high damage from shatter combo can apply. Sry my engl.

btw we have 0 tallents now, how much ill cost next time when we change tallents? they count the old changes or start from 0 with 5g or 1g i forgot?

Edited, Oct 15th 2008 8:57pm by xromania