Simple Question About VengenceFollow

Are you talking about the Ret talent Vengeance? Can only assume you are, and that being the case:

Each crit gives you a stackable increase to your damage. If you were speccing Ret you'd be a fool not to pick this talent up. As a tank though you won't (shouldn't anyway) be speccing this far into the tree, so you won't be using this yourself. It also only benefits the Paly who has this talent, so if you had a Ret with you, you would get no benefit when they had this up.

Also Vengeance is not an activated ability, it is a proc of sorts. You can't click to activate it, you simply have to get a crit and up it goes. It doesn't go on an action bar, to a mouse click, anything like that: it's just always there.

Seal of Vengeance is of very limited use at the moment. About the only time you'd really use this is on fights where you will have times that you aren't able to be on the boss.... Mostly though this seal will be less threat than SoR. In about a week when patch 3.02 hits this will definitely be the seal to use for tanking though. It will stack on every hit so it'll stack faster and it will be considerably more dps/threat than SoR. also the Judgement of Vengeance in 3.03 will be the hardest hitting judgement. this week though use SoR for tanking.

Though if you check our discussion in the ret builds thread, you'll see there's compelling evidence that SoV is the best DPS seal post patch, too.

In most fights while solo grinding/farming/questing against same-level mobs, Seal of Vengeance does better DPS than Seal of Righteousness, at least for me. If the mob will live long enough to get a full stack of SoV debuffs (and a couple more whacks for a good measure) then it tends to die faster than if I had used SoR from the beginning.

This is especially true for any mobs that can stun, incapacitate, or run away from you, since as noted above, the DoTs will keep on ticking even though you're not hitting them. I find it particularly useful when AOE-grinding, as I can just keep tabbing amongst all my targets, keeping them at roughly the same level of health, until they all die at about the same time. Blood elves of Netherstorm, I'm looking at you!

/agreed. after applying a full 5 stacks, spread your wings for some serious gains.

Not in PvE, indispensible PvP tool, a DoT can stop bandages, as well as stop rogue stealth. I don't mean to be rude, but try to be careful with posts like that people value this community and alot of these skills have alternate uses, brushing them off without thinking to much is a bad idea. Esp, if no one can correct it.

My post was directed at answering the OP's question only, not addressing other concerns. As a tank there's no reason he should ask a Ret he groups with to use Vengeance as it will do nothing for him (the OP) and the Ret will do less DPS. Clear now? :)

Judging Crusader sounds like a good job for that Ret pally ;-)

If there's no Ret pally in your group, in general, unless you know you have threat generation issues, I'd go without JotC altogether. If you want to work it in though, I'd consider waiting til you have a full stack of SoV debuffs (fully refreshed) on the boss, cast SotC, cast Judgment, and then go back to SoV.

There's only one DPS in the game that deals Holy-based damage, and it can judge Crusader on its own. Use Righteousness.

Seven seconds is probably asking too much of the DPS, anyway. I wouldn't expect them to hold back more than three.



This is entirely possible. I'll check.

If you watch Kamils vids, against better players you have to SoV to stop bandages while healing yourself. He uses this tactic on the warrior/hunter and mage to I think.

Also, I made you use CoS when you otherwise wouldnot have, so I stand my ground. Even if you get the opener on me, I have insured that you can not run.