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Most druids will shift to bear form after I jump them and I can't stunlock and DPS them down fast enough before they shift. I've also tried using evasion to dodge their bash but I usually don't last long enough for them to need to shift out and heal. Are rogues meant to be able to beet druids or are they, like warriors, the "rock" if rogues are "scissors"?
Wound poison!
Put it on!
Put it on!
you beat druids with an "a" not a second "e"
anyways, your fight description was ridiculously vague.... is your gear up to par? are you jumping s4 11-11-39 druids in season 2 gear? need some more info to help you in any way
what kind of druids are we talking about? whats your build? you gear in relation to theirs? whats your idea of "stunlock and DPS them"
you know, the basic ****
anyways, your fight description was ridiculously vague.... is your gear up to par? are you jumping s4 11-11-39 druids in season 2 gear? need some more info to help you in any way
what kind of druids are we talking about? whats your build? you gear in relation to theirs? whats your idea of "stunlock and DPS them"
you know, the basic ****
What Mongoose said.
Personally, I've found that the inability to kill a restodruid (and by inability to kill I mean the ones that bear/kite you constantly and can live for 2+ minutes with you constantly bashing them) is generally the cause of gear difference. Whenever you find yourself yelling "DAMMIT F*CK THOSE OP RESTO DRUIDS", you're generally facing a full S3/4 one in S2/kara epics. Yeah, they live forever.
Personally, I've found that the inability to kill a restodruid (and by inability to kill I mean the ones that bear/kite you constantly and can live for 2+ minutes with you constantly bashing them) is generally the cause of gear difference. Whenever you find yourself yelling "DAMMIT F*CK THOSE OP RESTO DRUIDS", you're generally facing a full S3/4 one in S2/kara epics. Yeah, they live forever.
The trick is simple. It's never given me trouble except when they vastly outgear me.
1. Put on Wound Poison, which should be there already.
2. Wait until they shift into NE/Tauren form to heal. You have Wound Poison on, so the heals won't do as much.
3. Stun them while they're out of bear form and do the majority of your DPS then. When they go back to bear, they will have lost a proportionally larger amount of HP than if you did the same damage in bear.
4. Since they do ****-all damage in bear form and will never actually get around to killing you, repeat steps 2-3 until they run out of mana. (Shapeshifting is a big mana drain, so druids do it very little.)
If they're resto, you may never kill them but will at least stop them healing. If they're feral, they'll run out of mana fast from rapid shapeshift/heals. If they're balance you would never have this problem because they would be in boomkin form all the time and that's even easier to deal with.
1. Put on Wound Poison, which should be there already.
2. Wait until they shift into NE/Tauren form to heal. You have Wound Poison on, so the heals won't do as much.
3. Stun them while they're out of bear form and do the majority of your DPS then. When they go back to bear, they will have lost a proportionally larger amount of HP than if you did the same damage in bear.
4. Since they do ****-all damage in bear form and will never actually get around to killing you, repeat steps 2-3 until they run out of mana. (Shapeshifting is a big mana drain, so druids do it very little.)
If they're resto, you may never kill them but will at least stop them healing. If they're feral, they'll run out of mana fast from rapid shapeshift/heals. If they're balance you would never have this problem because they would be in boomkin form all the time and that's even easier to deal with.
zepoodle wrote:
The trick is simple. It's never given me trouble except when they vastly outgear me.
1. Put on Wound Poison, which should be there already.
2. Wait until they shift into NE/Tauren form to heal. You have Wound Poison on, so the heals won't do as much.
3. Stun them while they're out of bear form and do the majority of your DPS then. When they go back to bear, they will have lost a proportionally larger amount of HP than if you did the same damage in bear.
4. Since they do ****-all damage in bear form and will never actually get around to killing you, repeat steps 2-3 until they run out of mana. (Shapeshifting is a big mana drain, so druids do it very little.)
If they're resto, you may never kill them but will at least stop them healing. If they're feral, they'll run out of mana fast from rapid shapeshift/heals. If they're balance you would never have this problem because they would be in boomkin form all the time and that's even easier to deal with.
1. Put on Wound Poison, which should be there already.
2. Wait until they shift into NE/Tauren form to heal. You have Wound Poison on, so the heals won't do as much.
3. Stun them while they're out of bear form and do the majority of your DPS then. When they go back to bear, they will have lost a proportionally larger amount of HP than if you did the same damage in bear.
4. Since they do ****-all damage in bear form and will never actually get around to killing you, repeat steps 2-3 until they run out of mana. (Shapeshifting is a big mana drain, so druids do it very little.)
If they're resto, you may never kill them but will at least stop them healing. If they're feral, they'll run out of mana fast from rapid shapeshift/heals. If they're balance you would never have this problem because they would be in boomkin form all the time and that's even easier to deal with.
You fight bad druids that don't know what Abolish is.
The only time I could kill resto druids easily was as heavy poisons mut. As ShS good resto druid give me problems.
Geared druids will be able to shift/moonfire you until you kill yourself on thorns or moonfire kills you. Shifting is a drain on ferals, who have a tiny mana pool, but it's not as big of a deal to restos who will shift to get out of damage (and because it helps their abolish tick on Wound).
Good resto druids are incredibly powerful, as they almost never run out of mana. You have to sit on them for a long time to kill them solo, at which point you'll probably be almost dead anyway.
The above advice is solid. I'll only add that I find myself cripple-shiving the hell out of shifting druids who are running in BGs. Anything you can do to keep them slowed down, stunned, or otherwise just not giving them any breathing room seems to help. But I'm only talking BGs where player skill is.... variable.
Remember, PvP isn't about smashing buttons trying to max-DPS generally. Control and efficient reactions is far more effective in my limited experience.
Remember, PvP isn't about smashing buttons trying to max-DPS generally. Control and efficient reactions is far more effective in my limited experience.
okay since we all are assuming its a resto druid the OP is having trouble with... not you know... a feral druid outgearing him
as shadowstep i never really got a good lockdown on s3/s4 mix or better resto druids
a lot of the ones i fought just happened to be ****** 11-11, not 8-11 :(
just generally fight goes... shapeshift through my snares, hots, (IS) MF, shapeshift
just kite you around while their (relatively) weak instant casts eat your hp little by little
its pain 1v1, but some advice from me would be
-save your stuns for human form
-save shadowstep for when they get away (keep some cp for KS when that happens, you can snag them in human form pretty easy usually)
-try and keep a deadly throw cp avail (if they kite far enough to cyclone you, you lost)
-keep expose armor up
-slice and dice is good to have up, especially if its up while you got a stun in human form
its a hard fight, one of the few i never got down well in 1v1, but good luck to you
as shadowstep i never really got a good lockdown on s3/s4 mix or better resto druids
a lot of the ones i fought just happened to be ****** 11-11, not 8-11 :(
just generally fight goes... shapeshift through my snares, hots, (IS) MF, shapeshift
just kite you around while their (relatively) weak instant casts eat your hp little by little
its pain 1v1, but some advice from me would be
-save your stuns for human form
-save shadowstep for when they get away (keep some cp for KS when that happens, you can snag them in human form pretty easy usually)
-try and keep a deadly throw cp avail (if they kite far enough to cyclone you, you lost)
-keep expose armor up
-slice and dice is good to have up, especially if its up while you got a stun in human form
its a hard fight, one of the few i never got down well in 1v1, but good luck to you
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The above advice is solid. I'll only add that I find myself cripple-shiving the hell out of shifting druids who are running in BGs. Anything you can do to keep them slowed down, stunned, or otherwise just not giving them any breathing room seems to help.
And if you happen to be Mutilate you ought to take this advice as a lifeline while fighting druids. Without ShS it can be insanely easy for a resto druid to get out of your range.
Even more so when your pall has no CC =(
Resto druids are a joke, and you're all bad for not killing them easy.
I kid, I kid. They're not THAT hard, though - you just need to know to open properly (garrote -> rupture vanish or early blind opener etc).
Edited, Oct 6th 2008 6:39pm by Kavekk
I kid, I kid. They're not THAT hard, though - you just need to know to open properly (garrote -> rupture vanish or early blind opener etc).
Edited, Oct 6th 2008 6:39pm by Kavekk
One way i fight them is i have 3 weapons, two off hands with one with deadly and the other with cripple, MH wound. Garrote, shiv on Deadly and try and stack as much of all the poisons u can and place a rupture, vanish cheapshot or keep popping hemo till u get a stun in, and if want try an lol envenom at the end. Also a one point SnD in the middle of all that.
Kind of the same way i fight warriors.
Edited, Oct 7th 2008 12:16am by EziNewDream
Kind of the same way i fight warriors.
Edited, Oct 7th 2008 12:16am by EziNewDream
I'm having a problem killing feral druids 1v1, they're just outlasting me. I'm dpsing raid-style, to put out as much dps as possible, but their high armor and hp is too high... They don't even have to shift out of bear. Gear is similar, pvp gear.
arukomp wrote:
I'm having a problem killing feral druids 1v1, they're just outlasting me. I'm dpsing raid-style, to put out as much dps as possible, but their high armor and hp is too high... They don't even have to shift out of bear. Gear is similar, pvp gear.
That's your problem.
edit: I'm grammatically slow.
Edited, Oct 7th 2008 11:14am by ThomasMagnum
So any tips? Please
Raid DPS is all about sustained damage, which is why that model doesn't apply well to PvP: There's not sustained anything really in BGs and especially not Arena (compare to Tidewalker, go ahead, I dare ya!).
The only difference for me is that I tend to shiv druids more than other classes of the same general type. Mainly for crippling when they shift. But feral druids are otherwise treated like any DPS type class: control, control, control with some heavy bleeding on the side. Maybe check arenajunkies for some strat/tactical help?
The only difference for me is that I tend to shiv druids more than other classes of the same general type. Mainly for crippling when they shift. But feral druids are otherwise treated like any DPS type class: control, control, control with some heavy bleeding on the side. Maybe check arenajunkies for some strat/tactical help?
arukomp wrote:
So any tips? Please
Well it's been said in other threads...each class you fight will be different, and DPSing 'raid style' really doesn't work for any of them. There isn't a real rotation in PvP, especially against a druid shapeshifting on you every 10 seconds. With non-resto druids, I watch for the regrowth to kick, and try and vanish/CS while they're in human form (as in bear it won't help you much). Keep bleeds up and watch your wound poison. If they've blown their fear trinket you can blind/bandage when their mana is low and then finish off the dps. Those are my thoughts, although I haven't played my rogue in a long while and really am not one to be giving PvP advice, but good luck.
The point is, they don't even shift out of bear before they kill me.
Then it's a gear difference, or you suck, one of the two.
I'm going to assume it's the first there. When there's equal gear in play you cannot suck so much that a druid kills you without moving out of bear. You'd have to be standing still the whole time with him hitting you from behind.
when i'm ShS i'll use improved EA to boost some damage. its not as much as it would give for a clothy but in their caster form its considerable.
after that i beat on them till they shift forms, then i shiv spam to keep them slowed. if they are in another form to avoid taking extra damage they cant heal, and if i'm shivving them they need to keep changing forms otherwise me and whoever else can catch up will slap them around. save combo points for their caster form.
if you can ever force one to cast healing touch or regrowth (i think thats the cast time one) you probably just won because thats an easy kick.
gear makes the difference against druids and resto shammies (when i was poorly geared i had more trouble with the shammies because they are never in a low armor form)
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 11:49am by EnthalpyTheBurninator
after that i beat on them till they shift forms, then i shiv spam to keep them slowed. if they are in another form to avoid taking extra damage they cant heal, and if i'm shivving them they need to keep changing forms otherwise me and whoever else can catch up will slap them around. save combo points for their caster form.
if you can ever force one to cast healing touch or regrowth (i think thats the cast time one) you probably just won because thats an easy kick.
gear makes the difference against druids and resto shammies (when i was poorly geared i had more trouble with the shammies because they are never in a low armor form)
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 11:49am by EnthalpyTheBurninator
Also use deadly throw when they get some distance on you, if Shadowstep and Sprint are on CD.
Their DPS in bear really is totally gimped. It's like fighting a prot warrior.
This is what a geared feral druid in bear form sees when a rogue tries to kill him:
*stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab* :O *stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab stab* >:O *stab* *stabbity stab* *stab *stab* D:< *stab* *stab* dead rogue.
Mobility is key to fighting a feral in bear form. If they tag you with a Lacerate, Vanish won't save you and they can load up some pretty respectable damage with Mangle. If you try to go nose to nose with a bear, it's a safe bet you're going to lose. Feral druids in bear forms are like prot warriors with very sharp teeth and claws. Not an ideal fight for a rogue.
*stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab* :O *stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab stab* >:O *stab* *stabbity stab* *stab *stab* D:< *stab* *stab* dead rogue.
Mobility is key to fighting a feral in bear form. If they tag you with a Lacerate, Vanish won't save you and they can load up some pretty respectable damage with Mangle. If you try to go nose to nose with a bear, it's a safe bet you're going to lose. Feral druids in bear forms are like prot warriors with very sharp teeth and claws. Not an ideal fight for a rogue.
AureliusSir wrote:
This is what a geared feral druid in bear form sees when a rogue tries to kill him:
*stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab* :O *stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab stab* >:O *stab* *stabbity stab* *stab *stab* D:< *stab* *stab* dead rogue.
Mobility is key to fighting a feral in bear form. If they tag you with a Lacerate, Vanish won't save you and they can load up some pretty respectable damage with Mangle. If you try to go nose to nose with a bear, it's a safe bet you're going to lose. Feral druids in bear forms are like prot warriors with very sharp teeth and claws. Not an ideal fight for a rogue.
*stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab* :O *stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab stab* >:O *stab* *stabbity stab* *stab *stab* D:< *stab* *stab* dead rogue.
Mobility is key to fighting a feral in bear form. If they tag you with a Lacerate, Vanish won't save you and they can load up some pretty respectable damage with Mangle. If you try to go nose to nose with a bear, it's a safe bet you're going to lose. Feral druids in bear forms are like prot warriors with very sharp teeth and claws. Not an ideal fight for a rogue.
A feral won't be able to stay in bear form against a good rogue, though.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
A feral won't be able to stay in bear form against a good rogue, though.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
AureliusSir wrote:
This is what a geared feral druid in bear form sees when a rogue tries to kill him:
*stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab* :O *stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab stab* >:O *stab* *stabbity stab* *stab *stab* D:< *stab* *stab* dead rogue.
Mobility is key to fighting a feral in bear form. If they tag you with a Lacerate, Vanish won't save you and they can load up some pretty respectable damage with Mangle. If you try to go nose to nose with a bear, it's a safe bet you're going to lose. Feral druids in bear forms are like prot warriors with very sharp teeth and claws. Not an ideal fight for a rogue.
*stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab* :O *stab* *stab* *stabbity* *stab stab* >:O *stab* *stabbity stab* *stab *stab* D:< *stab* *stab* dead rogue.
Mobility is key to fighting a feral in bear form. If they tag you with a Lacerate, Vanish won't save you and they can load up some pretty respectable damage with Mangle. If you try to go nose to nose with a bear, it's a safe bet you're going to lose. Feral druids in bear forms are like prot warriors with very sharp teeth and claws. Not an ideal fight for a rogue.
A feral won't be able to stay in bear form against a good rogue, though.
Key word here being "good". Against Joe Average rogue in AV, if I go bear I never have to shift out. I mitigate 75% of their physical damage, I'm hard to crit, and I've got 16k HP self buffed. And that's in PvE epics. I also love stacking Lacerate on Rogues...it just makes me happy.
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