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#1 Oct 05 2008 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
So I've been following the wotlk dps forum over at EJ pretty consistently trying to detirmine what I should do following the patch, but now it just seems so cramped up that I can't really find anything without scanning back through 20 pages of random info. Even that though I can't really get anything from since its spread apart by pages of crap.

More or less though I've picked up that while muti is better unbuffed dps, combat swords pulls ahead fully raid buffed.

Can someone confirm or deny these claims? Or start a discussion.

I personally would love going mutilate while still min/maxing so I'm almost hoping Blizz will buff it at the last second.
#2 Oct 05 2008 at 10:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's my understanding currently (and download Vulajin's WotLK spreadsheet to confirm) that mutilate is the top DPS build, with combat fist/dagger following close behind. In both cases, you're looking for a 1.4 speed dagger OH.
#3 Oct 05 2008 at 11:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yup. Only to add that, right now (and this is likely to change), fast/fast is doing slightly better than slow/fast. But we need either more fast daggers in the WotLK loot tables... OR they'll "fix" fast/fast (5-bucks says this).

Combat and Muti are both very close in theoretical DPS at the moment. Which makes me happy. Muti is fun =D
#4 Oct 07 2008 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
Would this be the optimal 3.0 level 70 combat swords build?

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0xZMgVb00xqru0gRtx
#5 Oct 07 2008 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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You may consider moving those 2 points in Endurance to Imp. Sprint. But yeah, looks right on track.
#6 Oct 07 2008 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
I'm a gnome, I don't really have a problem getting out of snares. I figured the 4% stamina would be minorly useful. Either way, they're just filler points to get to the good stuff.

Oh, and Imp Sprint is further down in the tree and you have to spend points in Endurance to get to it anyways, since I don't take close quarters combat.

Edited, Oct 7th 2008 12:29pm by Makaro
#7 Oct 07 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
While on the subject of builds, I was looking at vul's spreadsheet and a 51/3/7 build is about .8% better than a 51/5/5.. It's not much but it's enough that I'd throw it out there.

So I'd be rolling with this build http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ef0exoVboIuVo0hZxb and using a 5en/5r rotation

Any thought or suggestions?
#8 Oct 07 2008 at 5:58 PM Rating: Default
move ur points out of relentless strikes and into DW spec and I would take the last 3 out and put em in precision cuz 5 points is steep for that talent and I'm fairly certain that its better but I'm just guessing really
#9 Oct 07 2008 at 6:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sorry but that is terrible advice imanohealu. I have yet to see any decent raiding rogue not take Relentless Strikes. It's one of the best talents we have, period.

The build you linked XxwrathofcarbunclexX looks pretty good. Last beta build seems to favor 2 points in Opp over DWSpec, which to me is counter-intuitive, but the numbers don't lie. I'm looking forward to doing some tests on the differences right before the patch. I'll try to remember to post any interesting results here.

One thing I notice during my last round of tests in beta was that Vigor actually helped a bit (I took the point from Imp Poison). It's basically adding 10% to your resource pool and seemed to help me keep cycles even when scoring a below average number of crits for FA. It could have been my lack of experience with complex cycles, so take it with a grain of salt.

Also note that some rogues are taking TtT over Master Poison for personal DPS boost. But that's more completely explained on the EJ thread for WotLK DPS theorycraft.

Cheers.

edit: spelling

Edited, Oct 7th 2008 7:33pm by TherionSaysWhat
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