Muti Weapons in 3.0Follow

You're basically trading Focused Attacks for Combat Potency and losing the end-tier talents that give each respective spec their "punch." And you'd probably still be better with Daggers because of Close Quarters Combat (to feed FA). I'd have to see some serious test dummy results to convince me of that spec to be honest.

There's no possible way to make a spec that's better than 51/12/7 or 15/51/5 involving Focused Attacks and a 2.6 speed sword.

You could also make the energy gains top out at 2.0 speed, so anything slower than the slowest dagger wouldn't gain any benefit from the talent over daggers.

You're missing like every good DPS talent (CttC, HFB, etc) in Assassination with that spec, BTW.

Did you bother to read the thread at all or just cruise right past the actual info?

Right now the debate is between fast/fast and slow/fast but the optimal speed combination may change for the patch. Don't spend anything just yet. I'm holding honor/badges/gems/enchant mats/etc hostage for the patch. I suggest you hold off on any weapon purchase until the dust settles a bit.

Above, we were discussing a suggested "fix" to the current beta muti itemization. Only theoretically.

Nothing is for certain until we're actually downloading the patch. And, honestly, even then....

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Oh, yeah, also mmo-champion, wotlk.wowhead.com, and the beta patch notes if you're in it

That's very interesting, but doesn't affect me too terribly much til my Pally hits 80.

Also the rating information is nice to have.

From EJ: At 80

Expertise(-1% Dodge/Parry)=32.78998947
Hit=32.78998947
Critical Strike=45.90598679
Haste= 32.78998947
Armor Penetration=15.39529991

What, my insomnia? Not at all! (hehe... relax, stats are scaling pretty much as expected, not too many surprises in there)


Well there ya go. The most current and stable sheet I know of is Vulajins

Finally got a chance to download Vulajin's 3.0 sheet and plug in the muti spec from Theo's Compendium.

First, Vulajin does not have any of the Brewfest gear added, and I could not find his item lists (nothing was hidden). I just said I have to BLB since I have the mug, which is fine for now.

It looks like Malc/ER outweighs all my other options, which goes in line with the "faster=better" idea that is floating around.

For those curious, double shankers was about a 2% decrease in DPS versus Malc/ER and other variations worked in at a little less than a percent decrease, but decrease none the less.

I just save a ton money on enchants by using a spreadsheet!

So! I have a few daggers, and access to a couple more, I was trying to figure out what combination makes the most sense >.< I mean, as of right now! Maybe things will change post-patch.

(I'm not that great at linking to things, but here goes)
I currently have:

Feltooth Eviscerator
The Night Blade
and Edge of Oppression.

I ground out enough honor to get the Merciless Glad Shanker(or shiv), and I'm just a couple heroics away from having 45 badges for Swift Blade of Uncertainty (or mutilator).

I'm saving up mats to put mongoose on 2 of these, and my question is! Which 2? Or is this a dumb question just a few days before the patch, I should just wait and ask the day of the patch? =)

Dejavuagain of Duskwood

*edit*
My guess is that I'll be using the merc shanker and the fast badge offhand dagger, but I just wanted to double check if the DPS is more important than the speed of the weapon.

Edited, Oct 11th 2008 10:19am by maximusneonecro

Ok, so when i go and buy my vengeful daggers, im buying Slow/Fast as of 3.0, correct?

Fast/Fast is currently best for MutPVE once patch goes live.

I'm going to be looking at my options.

I haven't quite decided on 1.8/1.8 or 1.8/fast.


Will depend on how poison generation shifts with the new talents (Read: Will we need to be shiv'ing enough to warrant a fast offhand, which currently is no.)

PVP Mut is going to be less worried about procc'ing crits for energy (as getting that talent is debatable) and focused on the bigger number bursts.

Especially for the next few weeks after the patch, before the expansion.

I am thinking slow/slow will be better because double and triple dps teams will be the thing once new talents are placed.