crazeecracker wrote:
You know, ive played a holy pally from 1-70. From heroics to Felmyst. And i dont really see where pallies get off crying. Last time i checked, you can see what spells a class can use before leveling. If you want to run around throwing hots, and group heals there are better classes.
Honestly if blizz ended up changing the class the way all these pallies want, i would prolly quit and go back to my rogue. The best thing about being a pally is sitting back and tossing out flash heals for 20 mins! I really dont see a problem with us, maybe im just too in love with the class.../shrug.
Also, i have never had a problem with any fight, heroic or non, except that one guy in auch that has the aura that increases cast time, thats not cool.
honestly, i respect your opinion on holy. i really do. however, 2 things you say i don't agree with 100%.
first, we shouldn't complain because we knew what we were getting into when we made our pally. not always true. i played risk, warhammer 40,000 (the tabletop version before the first computer version), warcraft 2, starcraft, warcraft 3, space empires, masters of orion and some other games of those types. i had never played an MMO or RPG game before. read the class descriptions on the character creation screen... it didn't say you're going to be spamming one spell for hours on end for the next 4 years. i was lvl 15 before i knew i had talent points. i was in my 30's i think before i realize i had options other than holy, but didn't want to pay to respec at the time. did i know what i was getting into? i read character descriptions and they all souned fun, but the paladin sounded like it fit me. spamming FoL isn't what i was looking for.
secondly TBC healing. are pallies worse healers because of spamming one ability? not in anappropriate team. as main tank healer in raids, holy pallies rock at keeping tanks up. does silence bother me? a little, but i survive and ovecome silences usually despite not having HoTs. can another healer do what i do? yep. can i do what they do? no. i'm not the group healer. can i heal 5 mans, sure. most of them. MgT? not even on regular without an off-healer. but then i never claimed to be the best anyway. honestly, i'd been bored with holy long before MgT. thats why my ret pally was 70 by the time it came out. several failed attempts in MgT convinced me to put my healadin aside except for raiding and only if he was really needed.
i won't say holy is bad. its not weak. its actually very strong in its 1 stong suit - single target endurance. this is true even after the illumination nerf.
my complaint really has never been the BC state of Pallies. it bored me, but i love having one around when i'm needing to tank. my complaint, which may be different than the o-board poster is that wotlk has made all tanks able to do everything, all dps specs similar dps levels and utility, all 3 real healing specs able to heal any situation equally, but holy pallies aparently aren't a real healing spec. holy pallies seem to be the only class intentionally limited to one job and its a job the 3 real healers can do just as well.
and last thing, to tommyguns. you know i'm sure i respect you a lot. i was encouraged in playing my ret pally mostly because of you here in the forums. we seem to have different areas of preference. your points were valid though and since i don't pvp much at all (and even when i do its very reluctantly) i hadn't really thought too much about how holy was doing in pvp. i think the trick for blizz will probably be to make holy fun in PVE without being OP in pvp. this is probably easier said than done and while i can recognize the PvE limitations of holy, i don't have the pvp experience to make suggestions that would be balanced in both pve and pvp. i'm not sure if you have healed at all in pve (all i remember is you going ret and prot) but if you have you might be a good one to help with some suggestions for making holy fun w/o being OP in pvp. my thought (as much as i'd hate it as ret) would be to move the HoT and instant FoL parts of the ret talents either in the first few tiers of ret or maybe fully in the holy tree while leaving the AP -> SP conversion in deep ret. would a hot and occassional instant FoL be OP in pvp do you think?