The thread in which Poldaran does a happy dance.Follow

Ah, I thought this was going to be your Illidan thread. :)

I still dunno if I should make that belt, or anything else, yet, though. I'll be glad when the expansion finally comes out and the mage gurus can figure out if fire will still be THE thing outside of pvp, or whether frost or arcane will be just as good.

I don't understand the Deep Freeze change. A 51 Point talent is supposed to be something special. Compare this 51 point talent with the arcane and fire 51 point. It's only a stun that relies that can't be done unless the target is frozen. Granted there are multiple ways to get a target frozen but to me a 51 point talent should be more than this. It also has a 30 sec cooldown. It's a nice talent, but not worthy of 51 point status in my opinion.

Frost mages were putting out too much burst in PvP. It was either they nerf that or they nerf something else. Like Shatter. Or, god forbid, frostbolt.

While I agree with Vontre's statement here, I'ma still spec frostfire. It just seems a lot of fun to me for some reason.

Edited, Oct 1st 2008 8:32am by Poldaran

*Joins in with Poldaran's dance*

Long live elementalist builds =D

I don't see why they changed Deep Freeze. If they're gonna make it only a stun, they should make it available when they're not frozen and if people find it "overpowered" just lower the damage. All in all, a pretty good update except for the Deep Freeze to be honest.

I'll blame the following on the fact that I'm ill. I do appreciate the attempt to cheer me up though :)

Two problems with this:
a) it will have the base range
b) it won't gain benefits from any of the other talents in the frost tree (other than WC).

So, I still think it;s mainly a pvp talent (bit of extra burst and dot for rogues).

But, this got me thinking to whether if Brain Freeze is no longer needed, would it be viable to go 21 points in another tree (apologies for my grammar in this sentence).

So far I'm thinking this for the 50 frost points (skips the aoe talents completely and would mean not maxing out chilled to the bone, arctic reach isn't taken due to the aforementioned fireball issue, though maybe I could rethink that. Could drop ice barrier as it tends to be only a mana drain in pve).

Ok Playing around because seriously am I going to want to run in to blastwave range when I can just blizzard things? (and it can crit) So, 0/18/53 frost/fire spec, up to MoE in fire and an extra 3yds to fire/10% to frost range. Maxed CttB, could skip pyroblast but not sure where I'd put that talent point anyway.

Or frost/arcane: 21/0/50, this is more an uber mana regen build, though focus magic might be nice. Not quite sure why you'd want an instant cast frostbolt on a 3 min cooldown, but hey you never know....

Might try the fire one out actually, or possibly I'll finally get a 'proper' raiding spec.

Edit: I didn't realise that fireball had a 35 yard base range (I r teh noob), so I think I may move that talent point out of Flame Throwing and put it into Burning Soul (assuming FFB benefots from that talent and there is an encounter where I'd use that over FB due to immunities. I guess the only other place I'd put it though is Impact.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2008 8:11am by Tynuv

Even if they change it, there will be no change for frosties who have a shadowpriest or boomkin(with Imp Faerie Fire) in group(aside from the 1% change, of course). Remember Misery and Imp Faerie Fire give ya bonus chance to hit.

Indeed. I probably should have been more clear on that.

Testing on several sites is showing it still at 17%. The difference is you can now get past that final percent.