3.0 Theorycraft - Hit and moreFollow

I was gonna post this analysis on another forum, but it started to get unwieldy and too far OT. So here it is... pray the itemization system continues to scale as it has been in beta thus far!

From what I recall (and I could be off, so bear that in mind) the Hit Rating needed for 1% is expected to be 32.789 at level-80 same for Expertise (at 70 it's 15.769). To hit a +3-level Boss we need 28% (dual-wielding), - 5% for Precision (now available for either Muti or Combat builds), that leaves 23% miss.

23 x 32.789 = 754.147 @ 80
23 x 15.769 = 362.687 @70

That means the new hit cap will be 755.

All the current data coming out of beta (and from I can see myself) seems to be showing that stats are scaling pretty much in line so that it will be about as hard to near the hit cap at 80 as it is at 70. But after looking into the numbers a bit, I thought I should share.

Sorry if I missed this being discussed elsewhere.

*edit: insomnia math is teh suk

Edited, Oct 1st 2008 10:58am by TherionSaysWhat

o.O

Exactly, that's just the point.

Currently your blue quality +hit gem is a Rigid Dawnstone at +8 hit
As soon as JCers go above 390, they'll start cutting Rigid Autumn Glow (the new blue quality gem) at+16 hit..

For all of you not so good at maths (ok, "Math" for you US folks ;->) .. that's double the hit rating (or 100% more) from the equivalent level gem.

Now, as Therion points out;

Currently you require 15.77 hit rating for 1% (70).
You WILL requore 32.79 hit rating for 1% (80)

That's a 32.79 - 15.77 = 17.02 hit rating requirement increase per 1% ... that equates to a ~108% increase in Hit Rating requirement for the same benefit.

So your standard blue gems give you 100% more hit, and at 80, you will require 108% more of that same hit. That's a pretty much on par increase (ok, you might need to work a touch harder for the same benefit, but it's perfectly within reason).

And in case you were wondering, the current epic gems give +10hit, the new epic gems give +20hit (the green gems are +12 hit vs +6 hit) .. so the increase is 100% across the range.

Edit : Proof Reading > me :-\

Edited, Oct 1st 2008 1:48pm by robertlofthouse

You mean standard blue gems.

;3

Blegh ... caught me there ... I had actually typed up the whole comparison using the standard green gems, then thought it better to compare the blue gems instead (seeing as those were the ones you were talking about when you said +16)... I thought I had caught all the places I was referring to green gems ... clearly not :-\

755 hit limit is 47 X 16hit (blue) gems :/

If you look at the epic gems, would they be +20 hit or +22? How many sockets would we have in a PVE gearset? 10? 12?
Let's keep it "simple math" and say we have 12 gemslots.

If we fill all those with +20 hit, we'd have 240 hit, meaning we would need (755-240) 515 hit, from gear, enchants, LW patches and insciption. Say we get hit on all of our "armor".
head, neck, chest, bracers, gloves, pants, boots (belt?)
7 pieces not counting belt.

Let's keep it decent and leave some hit open for gear progression. Let's say you'd get 300 hit from your 7 pieces of armor as a fresh level 80.

300/7= each piece should have 43 (edit rounded wrong) hit on it on average as well as other stats. This means you would still have to bridge 215 hit with gear progression + LW patches and insciption.

Am i the only one that isn't really seeing this happen ? Am i missing something? Will PVE gear have 43 hit or up on it?

Edited, Oct 1st 2008 2:47pm by samperor

The Epic gems are +20 (double that of the current epic gem).



Just going on the helms I picked up from shadowpanther's list briefly

Weakness Spectralizers (engineering goggles) = 43 hit rating (and that's a level 72 item)
Cover of Silence (level 80 epic) = 50 hit
Helm of the Vast Legions = 50 hit
Duplicitous Guise (Level 70 epic) = 30 hit (as a standard, I'm sure you can double that to see what the "end of wrath" raid gear will be like)
Cursed Vision of Sargeras (yeah, we know where that comes from) = 21 hit (again, double that for the equivalent hit

There are 2 chests I saw while spot checking that have over 50 hit each

Oh, and (not that it applies here, but) there's a pair of plate gloves (or legs, I forget) with 100 hit on one item.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.

Hit rating requirements for the same percentage have doubled.
The hit rating you get from the equivalent gems has doubled
The hit rating on the gear has doubled (sometimes even more)

Catch a pattern here .... capping hit will be as easy (or hard, depending on your PoV) as it is now.

I've also been reading on theorycrafting boards that better DPS will come from 9% hit and then going all-out Attack /shrug

Hmm, theres an Epic trink up on MMO-Champ with 95 hit on it static, and a proc of some kind as well. If getting pve hitcapped is your thing, it'll still be do-able.

They're good for casters, but IFF doesn't give melee hit anymore, only spell hit.

That's actually very interesting, especially since Daggers and Fists are both on the same Talent now.

I can see Combat Fist/Dagger being the Combat build of choice now if we have enough Daggers that are 1.4 or so. Especially since the arbitrary sword OH speed seems to be 1.5(Arena weapons).

But, the thing is, if we find a sword like Latro's I think it will still end up lasting us quite a while depending on where its found at.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2008 1:25am by GodOfMoo

*stares down new weapon chain, and its 28 hit rating*

big numbers, good thing i wont be caring beyond pvp hit cap :D

That's the newest version of IFF I can find.