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#27 Oct 04 2008 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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ThomasMagnum wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
ThomasMagnum wrote:
I assumed EA wasn't viable in a 20/0/41 arena build, and I kill clothies well enough without it. I wasn't saying it wasn't viable at all, but should have clarified the spec I was referring to.

Try killing a disc priest with 494 resilience. Smiley: frown



Try tossing your cat out the window on the highway. Probably just as hard.

Nah, killing a priest is hard, tossing a cat out the window would be easy.
#28 Oct 04 2008 at 6:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
ThomasMagnum wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
ThomasMagnum wrote:
I assumed EA wasn't viable in a 20/0/41 arena build, and I kill clothies well enough without it. I wasn't saying it wasn't viable at all, but should have clarified the spec I was referring to.

Try killing a disc priest with 494 resilience. Smiley: frown



Try tossing your cat out the window on the highway. Probably just as hard.

Nah, killing a priest is hard, tossing a cat out the window would be easy.


They hang on to your arm as if they were being thrown out a window or something...
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#29 Oct 04 2008 at 8:35 PM Rating: Default
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My hillbilly uncle in Texas tells a story about trying it in highschool. Apparently throwing a cat out the window at 65 is pretty much impossible. But hilarious. Unless someone tossed one of my cats out the window. Then wayne brady would have to slap a *****.
#30 Oct 05 2008 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
I disagree with needing a rotation. but i also disagree with pvp being completly random any skill used at any time.

You enter a fight with a plan. now that plan is flexible but it is still a plan. To say that a plan (aka Rotation) is not needed is silly. Thats like building a house without a foundation.

So to the opp theo is right about how flexible pvp is. you can never have a cut and dry rotation. but what theo no longer understand is that he has committed alot of the standard rogue actions to the highest level of repetition. otherwise known as instinct.

So your question is valid for someone of your skill level. And i am more than happy to say you have a good question. and i will do my best to answer it in a simple way.

When its a person you think you can burn down. then blow big hits and long burst cd's to get them down.

If its a person you want to cc or presure for the entire fight. you will need to do just that. cc and presure them.

If its a target you want to degen down then do just that.. kite them and degen them down with poisons and bleeds.



Long story short is that you need to go find out for yourself what works for you. you came here looking for a plan, the plan is to win. there ya go, now go learn how to win.

Theo is not as bad as he seems and he does know his stuff. The biggest problem he seems to have is that he forgets that people are not idiots just because they are not good at pvp. or have questions that he thinks are stupid. and it goes without saying that he thinks he is the best rogue in pvp today.

so sorry for the poor responses and i hope you can find some use out of the good ones. keep posting solid questions here but be sure to do a ton of research first.
#31 Oct 05 2008 at 4:52 PM Rating: Decent
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but what theo no longer understand is that he has committed alot of the standard rogue actions to the highest level of repetition. otherwise known as instinct.

No, the difference is that I respond to actions with their appropriate reaction, which is hard to teach. Knowing that you need to trinket a KS at a certain time or eat a Blind isn't instinct, it's reactions; and you can't teach those without extensive experience.
#32 Oct 05 2008 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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And even just BGing helps alot.

Over the past 3 dayts I've been BGing a ton. The first day I did horrible, but on the third day I beat a rogue better geared than me one on one in a pretty epic fight. I noticed a distinct improvement from day one to day three.

I doubt I would be any good in Arena yet, but still its something.
#33 Oct 05 2008 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
Wow i really got rated down for trying to help a newer member instead of just flaming on him or calling him an idiot?

what the heck did i do that was so wrong?
#34 Oct 05 2008 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Freefire wrote:
Wow i really got rated down for trying to help a newer member instead of just flaming on him or calling him an idiot?

what the heck did i do that was so wrong?

Posting and whining about getting rated down will only get you rated down further.

You posted this:

Freefire wrote:
and it goes without saying that he thinks he is the best rogue in pvp today.

I've expressly said numerous times that I'm not the best. I've been put on a pedestal by numerous rogues (who don't post here often), and I don't want that expectation.

I'm not Neilyo. I'm not Zyz. I don't play this game professionally. I'm competitive, and I like winning, and I like gaining knowledge just as I dislike ignorance, but I'm not the best. I may be in the top 5% of rogues, but by no means do I think I'm the best.

Every time someone has posted that I'm the best or they think I'm the best, I've either not commented, joked about them being mentally handicapped, or directly denied it.

I act like I have an ego until confronted by the notion that I'm as great as the persona I display on these forums thinks he is. By no means am I that person. I started posting in such a way because this forum needed to change, and it needed a catalyst for that change. An elitist jerk, if you will.

I never have, and never will say I'm the best rogue out there, because it's not true. The respect I have from the regulars on this forum are because of my knowledge and my inability to shy away from speaking the truth, not because I'm the best rogue out there. Anyone that has played with me can tell you I'm not.

So yes, I rated you down for attempting to spread something that is blatantly false.
#35 Oct 05 2008 at 11:05 PM Rating: Decent
There's no such thing as a rotation per say, but there are openers, set actions that you follow until they resist or trinket.

Priest
Premed > Sprint > Garrote > IEA > Vanish > Cheap shot > Hemo spam > KS, blind as soon as garrote fades (and you can kill them if they do not trinket). They'll probably trinket KS anyway.

Rogue
Premed > CS > rupture hemo hemo > Vanish, wait > CS -> Hemo > KS

I can't be bothered to do the rest.
#36 Oct 06 2008 at 12:38 AM Rating: Default
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Freefire wrote:
Wow i really got rated down for trying to help a newer member instead of just flaming on him or calling him an idiot?

what the heck did i do that was so wrong?


Calm down. You got rated back up. I thought your post was pretty thoughtful. You did use the word "instinct" incorrectly. An instinct is something you're born with, like wanting to sleep when you're tired, eat when you're hungry, and jump when you're startled. You're talking about reactions becoming ingrained so that they're second nature, which is actually a refutation of instinct.

Theo doesn't actually disagree with you, if you read him carefully;

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No, the difference is that I respond to actions with their appropriate reaction, which is hard to teach. Knowing that you need to trinket a KS at a certain time or eat a Blind isn't instinct, it's reactions; and you can't teach those without extensive experience.


even though he might think he does. He's probably rated you down because he's disappointed that you called him arrogant instead of recognising the arrogance as a reaction that as become so ingrained as to be second nature.

Anyway. Summary: no disagreement, no problem, move along.
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