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#1 Sep 29 2008 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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So on a whim I hit 40 last night and decided "What the heck" and change my tree out to Balance from Feral. I was a bit hesitant at first as i got used to shredding thru the leveling process rather quickly as feral.

I gotta tell ya this Moonkin is a big bad hairy "whoop@$$ machine". It's like a bear with a much cooler dance, and better spells, but same armor.

I wasn't sure how to approach the talent tree thing and i couldn't find an example for lvl 40. But what should i be looking for? Should i got back to Feral at 50? Does this moonkin rate pound for pound vs. a lvl 50 feral w/mangle?

My overall mission is to eventually go Resto to get in as much instance/dungeon action as i can.

Any advice is appreciated. By the way for all those that call them boomkin, restokin, and whatever derivative i havent mentioned, please address mine as

WHOOPKIN! (who's preferred mana replacing drink is Cpt. Morgan....now if i could only find the recipe to make it..)
#2 Sep 29 2008 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unfortunately, I have no comment on Boomkin, having leveled feral and being happier than a clam. However, I can see Boomkin being much more fun and even better than ever to level come next patch, when rooting can be done inside. Viable CC, and a way to keep distance, at last! AT LAST!
#3 Sep 29 2008 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you are having that much more fun as Boomkin then yes it will go faster.

Technically, a feral with Mangle will be faster as they only use mana to heal, buff and shift. Thus creating less downtime as mana regens in feral forms. That being said if you are enjoying the game play more the time will seem to go past faster and you will be into playing the toon thus making the process faster.

Added bonus Boomkin and Tree will share a lot of gear in Wrath making the respec less gear intensive.
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#4 Sep 29 2008 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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If you have a blast as moonkin, then i agree the time will seem to go by much faster. I do however suggest you spec feral at 50, just to try it out. It's good to know all there is about your class. At least you can say "it wasn't for me" or "damn that rocks, but whoopkin rocks even more" or something along those lines. When fighting a feral in pvp you will so that much better because you know how he plays.
#5 Sep 30 2008 at 6:56 AM Rating: Good
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After playing "whoopkin" for 2 days now i see where the feral is still a bit quicker. Maybe as i get higher and get more talents to preserve/gain mana it will get better. Even with me getting as much intellect, stamina and spirit as i can "balance" no pun intended. But I am gonna stick it out for at least 9 more levels, before I make a decision on balance.

I will be trying out feral @ 50 for the mangle experience as i keep hearing it really puts the "hurting" on things.

Who knows what i will do at 60..

Again thank you all for your posts..

#6 Sep 30 2008 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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If you think boomkin is fun, you'll love it when you get some crazy good gear. All the people who have told you feral is the key to leveling are right. But when it comes to end game raiding boomkins generally have better dps and overall damage done, there are exceptions to the rule of course.

Once you get the right gear set up for a lazer chicken, battle turkey, roflstomping feathers, *insert every other sweet boomkin name*, you'll see they can be absolutely freakish when it comes to damage and dps output. My personal record so far has been 6.5k starfire crit on a mob who hasn't been give some damage increase, on mobs that take more damage my starfire record is 19k. You'll crit like this too when you do your swift flight form quest chain.
#7 Sep 30 2008 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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LOLOLOL........Lazer Chicken and Battle Turkey....priceless.


Monster crits...wow..


thanks,
#8 Oct 02 2008 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah the Moonkin, A.K.A. Death chicken, doomkin, boomkin, kaboomkin, panzerkin, and so on.

The spec will show itself once you do get a few more points into it. Feral is fun and easy to level, but for my buck it is the Moonkin all the way. I can right now even without outrageous gear kill some things before they ever get to me. This is without the root'n nuke method even. Feral requires that you get up close and take damage. With the boomkin you can choose if you want to let them get that close, less they are casters of course, then you kill them before they can cast anything. =P
#9 Oct 02 2008 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Back before I was raiding and my gear was less than sub par, having to root was just part of being a boomkin. Now it has turned into what you've said. Blow things up before they even have a chance to hit you.

I had an spriest hassling me the other day, I los'd him and got a chance to pop off a starfire which crit... for 5k. a nice chunk of his life was missing and the rest was taken away by that nice spell moonfire.
#10 Oct 07 2008 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah the Moonkin, A.K.A. Death chicken, doomkin, boomkin, kaboomkin, panzerkin, and so on.


you all forgot space chicken :D

but all in all moonkin is pretty fun, we are just getting the end of bt on farm and it is a blast.

while im not the top dps by any means depending on the fight im usually top 3

Edited, Oct 7th 2008 9:52am by damokian
#11 Oct 07 2008 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I looked through the first page or so of threads and didn't see anything that blatantly discussed it, what is the change to healing/spell damage stats that will take place in the expansion that Horsemouth mentioned?

It isn't the first time I heard it but I haven't seen any specifics about it. Only interested because I am resto and if the gear will be interchangeable then I might be trying out moonkin in the expansion.
#12 Oct 07 2008 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Sirmikey wrote:
I looked through the first page or so of threads and didn't see anything that blatantly discussed it, what is the change to healing/spell damage stats that will take place in the expansion that Horsemouth mentioned?


Instead of there being +Dam and healing and +Healing on items, it'll be changed to +Spellpower. There's resto talents and stuff that'll make healing spells get more from spellpower than dps spells will.

So basically, they're interchangable, but there will still be some differences, such as spell crit, spell hit and so on.
#13 Oct 08 2008 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Thread hijack ftw!
But I was curious to know roughly what kind of conversion rates we will see.
Eg. Crystalheart Pulse-Staff increases +healing more than spell damage. Does that mean we will see something with 382 spellpower and it adds less damage, or 128 spellpower and it adds more healing or somewhere in the middle?
And whatever happens with the one before how does that affect spell damage items such as Gladiator's War Staff which adds equal spell damage and +healing.
I've been meaning to ask this for a while and this looked like a good thread, though perhaps the general is a better place.
The item's I chose are there simply because they are the first 2 I found when searching staves that showed what I wanted to ask.
#14 Oct 08 2008 at 3:05 AM Rating: Decent
Crit Chickens ftw!

Though, as much as I love my Boomkin, I wouldn't still level to 70 as Kaboomkin, Feral all the way. But I'm definately gonna level as Owl in Wotlk, world pvp here I come!
#15 Oct 08 2008 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
The 382 +heal on the crystalheart becomes 204 spellpower.

The +spell damage on items gets converted direct to spellpower.

In some cases, this means that some of your current healing items may become upgrades for you boomkin set.


So basically your spell damage (with the same gear) will remain the same.

Your +heal in your healing gear will drop a fair bit, but your healing spells are affected more by +heal than current, so it should work out about the same.


#16 Oct 08 2008 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Friar RareBeast wrote:
The 382 +heal on the crystalheart becomes 204 spellpower.

The +spell damage on items gets converted direct to spellpower.

In some cases, this means that some of your current healing items may become upgrades for you boomkin set.


So basically your spell damage (with the same gear) will remain the same.

Your +heal in your healing gear will drop a fair bit, but your healing spells are affected more by +heal than current, so it should work out about the same.

Exactly what I wanted to know, thank you.
Does that mean sometimes we (healers) will be competing with DPSer's for gear, since they can conceivably do better with our gear than theirs?
#17 Oct 09 2008 at 12:58 AM Rating: Good
To a certain extent yes, although DPS will want stuff like crit & hit a lot more as well. As a healer you would probably be focusing mainly on +spellpower & regen stats and perhaps some haste. There will still be certain pieces that are more suited to heals or DPS, it'll just be a little less obvious than it is now :)

#18 Oct 09 2008 at 3:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Friar RareBeast wrote:
To a certain extent yes, although DPS will want stuff like crit & hit a lot more as well. As a healer you would probably be focusing mainly on +spellpower & regen stats and perhaps some haste. There will still be certain pieces that are more suited to heals or DPS, it'll just be a little less obvious than it is now :)

Rad, just what I wanted to know. Thanks again.
#19 Oct 09 2008 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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Rarebeast, the only arguement to your statements about stacking for boomkin is spirit, it's becoming more viable as a stat for boomkin in the patch.

The 2% spirit converted to spell damage for party/raid will become more apparent so don't be surprised to see more crit/haste/hit items with spirit on them.
#20 Oct 09 2008 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I thought only you personally gained from the spirit to spell damage conversion. description

I could be reading the talent wrong. Either way it is a nice talent. The builds I would use if I went Balance would have both Dreamstate and Intensity anyway so the spirit wouldn't exactly be wasted anyway.
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#21 Oct 11 2008 at 12:01 AM Rating: Good
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It appears I need to l2read. Horsemouth ftw.
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