No more target limit on swipe.
Edit to add: Haha...I always think of this in terms of the benefits for at-level tanking, but I honestly can't wait to take my druid into Stockades and pull the whole place and watch the numbers fly >:D
EU O-boards blurb.
And you thought your S4/MH feral staff was nifty...
New blue feral staff from heroic.
Ya, kinda weak...only two things to mention...but nobody else has been posting much lately so I thought I'd throw this in to lighten the mood ;D
Edited, Sep 29th 2008 12:46am by AureliusSir
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AureliusSir wrote:
No more target limit on swipe.
That's hot
yeah, they dropped the target limit on Tclap too. take THAT paladins! wheres your god now?!
that staff almost makes me want to go back to feral... almost.
So swipe and tc are aoe tanking moves now? They'd hit every mob in a SH pull? To this I say:
BOOO.
Druid and warrior tanking should be different flavors than pally tanking. There will still be some differences, but they went way down. I want to sweat on big trash pulls. Just like a pally tank should sweat more on hard-hitting bosses than a Druid or, certainly, a warrior.
I fear tanking just got a whole less fun.
BOOO.
Druid and warrior tanking should be different flavors than pally tanking. There will still be some differences, but they went way down. I want to sweat on big trash pulls. Just like a pally tank should sweat more on hard-hitting bosses than a Druid or, certainly, a warrior.
I fear tanking just got a whole less fun.
tuskerdu wrote:
So swipe and tc are aoe tanking moves now? They'd hit every mob in a SH pull? To this I say:
BOOO.
Druid and warrior tanking should be different flavors than pally tanking. There will still be some differences, but they went way down. I want to sweat on big trash pulls. Just like a pally tank should sweat more on hard-hitting bosses than a Druid or, certainly, a warrior.
I fear tanking just got a whole less fun.
BOOO.
Druid and warrior tanking should be different flavors than pally tanking. There will still be some differences, but they went way down. I want to sweat on big trash pulls. Just like a pally tank should sweat more on hard-hitting bosses than a Druid or, certainly, a warrior.
I fear tanking just got a whole less fun.
And with it, we'll encounter fewer fights where nobody wants us because "zomfg u need pally tank for dis!!!"
Swipe is still directional as far as I can tell. You can't just stand there in the middle of a cluster of mobs and load up the swipe spam.
I've tanked heroic Shattered Halls with only one real CC class. It was a pain in the ***. We're stilll limited by how much damage we can safely absorb before our healers are overwhelmed (or dead). Paladins aren't the ones sweating vs. hard hitting mobs. Their healers are the ones sweating. Now we can make our healers sweat, too.
Edit to add: If you're one of those players that will walk into a WotLK encounter featuring 6+ trash mobs and after downing them with ease thanks to unlimited target swipe and all you have to say to your party is along the lines of, "zomfg that wuz 2 ez wtf Blizz" allow me to save your party members the trouble:
/slap
Edited, Sep 30th 2008 5:25pm by AureliusSir
Just to add a bit to the discussion, Bramblethorn Greatstaff is a quest reward in one of the first areas in the expansion, Howling Fjord. It's not better than the stuff out now by any means but it's a great starter weapon for those that may still be using a blue from tBC. Then there is Hardened Vine of the Mauler from The Storm Peaks. Neither look like group quests at this time, the 2nd item listed looks to be the end of a chain of solo quests.
Swipe is directional but that really just means you need to turn your character slightly to the side now. That's not that complicated. I'm OK that people rather having a pally tank for SH is the tradeoff for druid multimob tanking being an enjoyable challenge. I hope Blizz puts other things into its new instances that force tanks to use their heads rather than their swipe (or tc) buttons, but stuff like this makes me nervous.
SkibumOnShiva wrote:
Just to add a bit to the discussion, Bramblethorn Greatstaff is a quest reward in one of the first areas in the expansion, Howling Fjord. It's not better than the stuff out now by any means but it's a great starter weapon for those that may still be using a blue from tBC. Then there is Hardened Vine of the Mauler from The Storm Peaks. Neither look like group quests at this time, the 2nd item listed looks to be the end of a chain of solo quests.
Man, I wish Allakhazam had the new items...all this "clicking and going to another site" is so old school--mouseover popups rule.
What's the word on the first upgrade from Earthwarden as a tanking weapon? I haven't seen any pre-80 weapons with armor or defense rating yet (haven't looked all THAT hard) but if I understand things correctly we won't need (any?) defense rating for uncrittability anymore, so maybe weapons that don't look like upgrades actually will be.
linky
It seems they stealth nerfed our armor multiplier to 370% from 400%.
Haven't been able to find a definitive source but from the clamor of the bo-boards it seems we done got nerfed.
Also the PotP change was to adjust the first 2 points and not the whole talent which stands at 12% fully spec'd. So it is now 1/2/3 per member as opposed to 3/3/3.
It seems they stealth nerfed our armor multiplier to 370% from 400%.
Haven't been able to find a definitive source but from the clamor of the bo-boards it seems we done got nerfed.
Also the PotP change was to adjust the first 2 points and not the whole talent which stands at 12% fully spec'd. So it is now 1/2/3 per member as opposed to 3/3/3.
Hellbanned
idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
Currentlt at Naxx level, druids tanks are way out in front of the other tank classes. We have more health and armor and take less damage than the other classes. Also, with our new magic damage reduction talent & the 15% reduced AoE damage talent, we are taking less magic damage in many cases as well.
We definitely need tuning to bring us back in-line with the other tank classes (not bring them up to our level - nobody wants the whole game to turn into easy mode). Hopefully they just tune us a little to balcance things and don't come out with a big bazooka nerf bat.
We definitely need tuning to bring us back in-line with the other tank classes (not bring them up to our level - nobody wants the whole game to turn into easy mode). Hopefully they just tune us a little to balcance things and don't come out with a big bazooka nerf bat.
As RareBeast said. Here's Ghostcrawlers quote on the subject.
Linky
Linky
GhostCrawler wrote:
I don't know what other sites are posting about our data. Sometimes they're right and sometimes they're not. Not long ago, hunters got (understandably) freaked out because of what they thought was a big nerf to Wing Clip when it turned out everyone was looking at a creature ability.
However, we are probably going to have to nerf bears. If we don't, they will be the only MT choice for serious guilds. At the moment, bears in decent gear take less damage, have more health and generate more threat than the other 3 classes by a wide enough margin that we think it's a problem. This is even true on bosses that do a lot of magic damage (like Malygos).
I use the word "nerf" because players use it, and I don't want to hind behind euphamisms. But changing the numbers doesn't have to mean nerfing you into the ground. We just don't want you to dominate. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if Protection paladins were just head and shoulders above the other tanks.
We understand that some Ferals felt they were nerfed in BC either prematurely or in such a way that kept them steadily behind other tanks. (Though Sunwell Radiance was largely for bears.) We will try to make intelligent changes so that you're still out there tanking the Lich King himself. We want you to be about as good as warriors, paladins and death knights, not way above or below them.
However, we are probably going to have to nerf bears. If we don't, they will be the only MT choice for serious guilds. At the moment, bears in decent gear take less damage, have more health and generate more threat than the other 3 classes by a wide enough margin that we think it's a problem. This is even true on bosses that do a lot of magic damage (like Malygos).
I use the word "nerf" because players use it, and I don't want to hind behind euphamisms. But changing the numbers doesn't have to mean nerfing you into the ground. We just don't want you to dominate. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if Protection paladins were just head and shoulders above the other tanks.
We understand that some Ferals felt they were nerfed in BC either prematurely or in such a way that kept them steadily behind other tanks. (Though Sunwell Radiance was largely for bears.) We will try to make intelligent changes so that you're still out there tanking the Lich King himself. We want you to be about as good as warriors, paladins and death knights, not way above or below them.
2 thumbs up to Ghostcrawler being the best Blizz poster.
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