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you have to make sure that everyone is on their toes, each group is calling out and helping the other saying 'group 3 - incoming fire' etc let them know if it is curving back around or who it is going to afterwards. Assuming few people are splattering and it is all about fire, people need to know that it is their PRIORITY to get out/away from the fire. Don't finish that cast, just run, but make sure (if you are a healer) that the other people may need to pick up some slack. If it is a pally, they can bubble and heal if necessary.

If someone is dying repeatedly to the same **** and it's something within their control, kick them from the raid. The empty slot for them is more valuable than they are at that point.

Not a hard fight if you keep a few things in mind.

1) mandatory 2 min PvP trinkets on everyone - no exceptions. If you die consistently from the flames with this, you fail at raiding - makes the flames 50% easier to avoid (b/c you'll have to deal with the CD).

2) healers need to set up a trinket rotation based on position (if you don't have specific healers set to cover certain areas, that's another problem). It sucks when the healers break rotation and you are forced to eat the flames.

3) wasn't mentioned, but airburst....be aware of who it's on and make sure the MT doesn't get bursted by the melee. Not exactly a certain wipe, but makes it more difficult than it needs to be.

As for tanking position, it's more or less a spank n tank. Your tank shouldn't need to move too much (just avoid any potential flames, but we never really had much a problem with that), stay at max hit box range to avoid any potential air bursts. And make sure people put their tears on a hotkey - especially if they tend to crater - and make sure they hit it sooner rather than later. 1000-2000 fall damage is easier to heal than death and a soul charge. Mages get it easier, since we have slow fall if we hit the tears too early.

It shouldn't really take more than a handful of attempts to get down if your raid is coordinated. Healers need to call out on vent if they need help for whatever reason - and people need to use HS/pots/etc to keep themselves up if they think they may die. Sounds like your mages are doing just fine, so this more or less applies to the rest of the raid. This is a fight that is unforgiving of deaths and stupidity.

Good luck.
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Thanks guys, we will be trying again tonight and tomorrow. We get through all the other bosses fine so we will get a few attempts in tonight. We did try more shaman last time and I'll make the suggestion about finding more. Our mage lead made a joke about the hunters not being able to move away from the fires because they can't put it in their shoot rotation macro.

Zoltarion, we have occasional deaths to air burst but that usually only happens when the person gets bursted and griped. I thought that wasn't supposed to happen, but maybe it's a bug.

One thing i saw you said is people running circles and the fire going everywhere. Try having groups run straight out away from him, as a group. When we did progression on it we put a mark on each groups decurser, and it was their job to move the group. When fire comes toward your group move straight out, when it veers off or passes you run back in and continue dps. After farm status this wont be as necessary but to get the progress kill its going to be very difficult if everyone is just running all over the place. This will not only encircle people with fire it will also get your healers/decursers separated from groups.

UPDATE - Raid leader decided to give Archie a rest so we went back to Kael. We had skipped him. We had try him about 5 or 6 times prior but never seriously. We downed him tonight on the 5th try. Don't ask me why we can kill Vashj and Kael and not Archie.

Well if you are dieing to the fire there are probably two things that you should probably do. Make it clear that if the fire targets you, turn around and run, don't kite it through the raid.

Have you told everyone to set there cameras at max range so if a fire comes from your side or back you'll be able to see it and then you'll be able to avoid it.

UPDATE:
I like it when people give us an update on the questions they have posted. We finally killed Archimonde last night. It was a 1 shot and wasn't hard. The nerf did contribute to the kill, but it wasn't the primary reason for it. FYI: We wiped on Archie our normal 6 times last week with the same nerf. On our server there are still only 3 guilds that have killed him and we are the only guild post patch that has killed him eventhough others have tried. The primary reason we were able to kill him was beacuse we only took 21 people and NO Hunters. I'm not sure why, but for our guild the hunters have a really hard time staying out of the fires. We would've been able to kill him even withought the 30% nerf. Nobody was dying. We ran with 4 locks and me and the other mage were fire so he had dots on him constantly.