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Boomkin Debate: Crit or Haste?Follow

#1 Sep 24 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, I normally raid as a resto druid but I finally got the chance to go boomkin for once in Gruuls and I cranked out over 1k dps and was 4th on the damage done (I love, LOVE 5-6k starfire crits). I generally have gone for the whole "stack a **** load of crit" and watch your tank get nervous as you near in on his threat levels.

Now, the real question I'm trying to get at here is what do you guys think is more beneficial towards boomkins. Stacking a high amount of crit or going for a crazy amount of haste, or both?

The few things I've noticed so far have been this. A high crit gives you an immediate .5 off of your next cast which basically acts as haste. So it's almost like having a Quagmirran's Eye proc on every critical spell you hit. So obviously more crits means less time spent casting and more time cranking out pew pew.

But with haste, you could essentially lower your cast time to 2 seconds on starfire and even more. The problem with this though is there isnt a whole lot of leather gear that will give you spell haste and you're going to rely a lot on having cloth items. Of course if you're with clothie dps it's just going to **** them off if you steal their gear.

I've personally been thinking that possibly getting both of the stats would be the most beneficial thing I could do. Having a haste rating of around 100-150 would lower your cast times by 7-10% which seems innocuous but its much better than you would think.

And one last question, does anyone know if balance druids have a haste cap like warriors?
#2 Sep 24 2008 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
i would say crit over haste. i mean yeah if you crit and with the haste you could get it down to 2 sec cast i would guess but how much haste would you need and how much would it cut into your stats?ie SD MP5 Crit.

Edit also what are your stats as boomkin??

Edited, Sep 24th 2008 4:37pm by punkspider
#3 Sep 24 2008 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
at the moment, haste gear isn't available enough to allow a significant amount of spell haste in any reasonable amount of time. crit is everywhere, and nature's grace is a powerful effect. get the mystical diamond, quag's eye and that along with nature's grace is about as much "haste" as you could reasonably stack with real haste rating, and doesn't take up nearly so much item space.

to get 300 haste rating (if that is even possible?) would take you till long after wotlk got here. i say get crit after spell damage and wait till wotlk goes live to worry about haste. because itemization will allow it in the expansion.
#4 Sep 24 2008 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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Right now I've been raiding as resto so I dont have my boomkin gear on making armory useless, but I generally sit around 970 spell damage, 1020ish nature damage with a 25-27% chance to crit depending on if I go with a spell damage or a spell crit trinket.

Raid buffed I'm around 1200 spell damage, 1350 nature damage and a 30-33% chance to crit. I have 0 haste if I remember correctly, but I just picked up the haste boots out of ZA last night, which sparked this thread.

I also want to state this. When I have done 5 mans as a boomkin I have had a quag's eye proc with both heroism (heroinism as my guild calls it) and drums of battle with wrath crits, I put out a solid 5 wraths in the span of about 4 seconds.

Btw, Quag's Eye, Lunar Guidance both procing, along with using the Direbrew spell damage trinket is absolutely insane. I was up around 1800 spell damage and crit a wrath for 3900, my personal best.

Edit: LaFey, I saw you posted just before I did and I wanted to show you my buddy's armory. He's a warlock with over 300 haste. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ysondre&n=Corneliusbob

Edited, Sep 24th 2008 4:34pm by ArexLovesPie
#5 Sep 24 2008 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
Yes! its your good buddy hear. I recently resocketed all my gems with hast gems cauese I saw a moonkin come into a five man and crank out over 3000 dps. mind you he was wearing 5 outa 6 t6 with alot of haste gems and other haste items neck, rings ect. I norm run around 1100 damage with 27 to crit and put out like 900 to 1000 dps but when I went with the haste it droped my crit way too much around 22. My Starfire was hitting faster but for only like 3000 to 4000 compared to 4000 to 6000. I noticed the drop big time on the damage meters lucky to get 800 dps. So I went back to crit gems and my dps returned. I later talked to that same moonkin and he advized to stack crit until u get into T6 gear then go with haste. while with crit wrath trash and starfire bosses with curse of elements on them. When and if I get into T6 then haste and starfire everything norm you should be able to drop the reg caste of starfire to 2.5 before natures grace.
#6 Sep 25 2008 at 4:04 AM Rating: Decent
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ArexLovesPie wrote:
The problem with this though is there isnt a whole lot of leather gear that will give you spell haste and you're going to rely a lot on having cloth items. Of course if you're with clothie dps it's just going to **** them off if you steal their gear.


If you're going to be a raiding boomkin, forget this. There was a thread discussing this a while ago, but the fact there's a total of four pieces (belt, bracers) that are leather caster DPS out of the entire collection of BC raids, from Kara to Sunwell, where there are a few, but you have to trade healing leather and sunmotes for them.

If you raid, you're going to be getting cloth gear.

As for crit vs haste, + crit will get you more damage over the long run. I don't know about you, but long boss fights often leave me sitting on little to no mana (was Meleeing the Lynx Spirit in ZA to regen mana so I could nuke when they combined) Haste will get you casting faste,r but just the same, you'll be running out of mana faster. Crit might make your aggro jump a tad, but it'll give you more dps over the length of time (plus if you have to wait 5 secs for the tank to gain more aggro before you start casting again, you've just gained enough mana during that pause for another spell)

Edited, Sep 25th 2008 12:01pm by Micros
#7 Sep 25 2008 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
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The more and more I've thought about it's starting to seem like crit would probably be the best bet for boomkin.

Micros your point about going oom is something I really didn't think about. I see a warlock utilizing haste and I sort've forgot he can lifetap back to full mana in no time.

So for now I will just stack more spell crit and someday maybe cap my spell hit rating who knows.

Thanks for all the input everyone it was much appreciated!
#8 Sep 25 2008 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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You are way below the spell hit cap. Point for point spell hit is better than spell crit, at the very least you should swap out your gems.
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