I havent been playing my pally long (or a lot) but I respecced prot the other day because my server has a severe lack of tanks.
So I was trying to do some AoE grinding and I found something extremely annoying. Yes I can take like 10 mobs at once but it takes me FOREVER to kill them as I tend to run out of mana half way through the fight. I use ret aura, BoSanctuary, Holy Shield and Concecrate, Judge Light and use Wisdom but it still will take me almost 2 minutes to kill these mobs (only have ~300 Spell damage).
When I AoE grind with Holy it is much easier. Pull up 6 or 7 mobs and Just consecrate/heal and it takes me about half the time and I have more health/mana left over by far. Even if I throw in a holy shock every time it is up and JoR too.
Think I will be leveling as Holy in Wrath as I will have more spell damage (well over 1k - not sure of exact conversions but I currently have over 900 +damage and ~2200 healing).
Still wish I had a decent ret set though as it is looking so much fun.
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yeah, ret will be the "best" way to level still with endless mana and instant FoL's and high damage. but i think in the xpac, all 3 specs are looking like they'll be getting solo/dps buffs so i don't think anyone will need to respec to level unless they want to just shave off a few days. especially holy will be fine if it goes the holy/ret spec that many healers are planning on taking anyway. and the new BoSanc will be giving 2% mana back on blocks. grab 10 mobs and if you have at least a 20% block rate before HS you'll be getting 4% mana back every time they've all attacked. and if you keep HS up thats basically 8 more blocks every 8 seconds which is 16% mana back every 8 seconds... so use JoW and pretty much you won't have mana problems as a prot pally either. holy may possibly have the hardest time with mana actually, although it should still be fine too.
i leveled 2 pally 1-70 on holy and it's pretty fast if you know how to do it
if you take the 1 vs 1 route, takes forever; better take 3-4 or more (depending on gear and mob lvl) mobs, aoe and heal, mana pool is high enough to let you do anything you put your mind to
if you take the 1 vs 1 route, takes forever; better take 3-4 or more (depending on gear and mob lvl) mobs, aoe and heal, mana pool is high enough to let you do anything you put your mind to
I'm also trying to muddle through whether it'll be tolerable to level Holy in Wrath, and I think I might be stuck on something fairly dumb.... It also provoked a little debate while looting last night and unfortunately I can't call up an answer readily.
Does anyone know yet how the +healing and +spell damage on our current gear, gems, and enchants are supposed to convert to +spellpower? Many of the DPSers and healers I know are both fairly convinced that their gear is going to be nerfed, relative to the other role's gear.
For example, two otherwise equivalent pieces of gear: Guardian's Ornamented Belt and Guardian's Lamellar Belt
The stats are identical, except for a +75 healing/+25 spell damage on the former versus a straight +40 spell damage on the latter. Some anonymous underinformed sources think that the first belt, post-patch, will have +25 spellpower, while other sources, equally anonymous and underinformed, think the first belt will be equalized to that of the spell damage belt and have +40 spellpower, post-patch.
Spellpower:
All items and effects which grant bonuses to spell damage and spell healing are being consolidated into a single stat, Spellpower. This stat will appear with the same values found on items which grant “increased spell damage and healing†such as on typical Mage and Warlock itemization.
For classes which do not heal, they should see no change in the character sheet other than new tooltip wording.
Healing characters will see their bonus healing numbers on the character sheet decrease, however, all healing spells have been modified to receive more benefit from spellpower than they received from bonus healing, with a net effect of no change to the amount healed by their spells. Some talents have had to be rebalanced to accommodate this change, but the amount healed will remain roughly the same. In addition, some talents will provide only healing spell power.
The patch notes appear to support either interpretation. Any advice from someone in Beta or on the PTR would be greatly appreciated!!
Does anyone know yet how the +healing and +spell damage on our current gear, gems, and enchants are supposed to convert to +spellpower? Many of the DPSers and healers I know are both fairly convinced that their gear is going to be nerfed, relative to the other role's gear.
For example, two otherwise equivalent pieces of gear: Guardian's Ornamented Belt and Guardian's Lamellar Belt
The stats are identical, except for a +75 healing/+25 spell damage on the former versus a straight +40 spell damage on the latter. Some anonymous underinformed sources think that the first belt, post-patch, will have +25 spellpower, while other sources, equally anonymous and underinformed, think the first belt will be equalized to that of the spell damage belt and have +40 spellpower, post-patch.
Patch Notes wrote:
Spellpower:
All items and effects which grant bonuses to spell damage and spell healing are being consolidated into a single stat, Spellpower. This stat will appear with the same values found on items which grant “increased spell damage and healing†such as on typical Mage and Warlock itemization.
For classes which do not heal, they should see no change in the character sheet other than new tooltip wording.
Healing characters will see their bonus healing numbers on the character sheet decrease, however, all healing spells have been modified to receive more benefit from spellpower than they received from bonus healing, with a net effect of no change to the amount healed by their spells. Some talents have had to be rebalanced to accommodate this change, but the amount healed will remain roughly the same. In addition, some talents will provide only healing spell power.
The patch notes appear to support either interpretation. Any advice from someone in Beta or on the PTR would be greatly appreciated!!
I have the same question with trinkets too. Right now, I have both the pipe (+SD) and hops (+healing) from Brewfest. I wonder if they will equalize in WotLK.
From the sounds of it, they will equialize. I can't imaging healing gear being nerfed so that you get less spell power that the current spell damage gear. That would be silly.
Oh, and I will definitely be leveling as Holy. I can't wait until lvl 70 to try all the Holy talents...
Edited, Sep 26th 2008 11:03am by YJMark
From the sounds of it, they will equialize. I can't imaging healing gear being nerfed so that you get less spell power that the current spell damage gear. That would be silly.
Oh, and I will definitely be leveling as Holy. I can't wait until lvl 70 to try all the Holy talents...
Edited, Sep 26th 2008 11:03am by YJMark
healing gear should be equalized to what spell damage gear is now. for those trinkets i'm not 100% sure about how much SP the healing one will be, but from what i've seen it will either be the same or less SP than the DPS one. one thing you can do though is copy your toon over to the PTR with that trinket and see.
i don't even remember off the top of my head what it was, but i remember seeing 2 peices of the healing set i have on my ret pally on beta where one was dps and the other healing and it felt like the healing one was less than it should have been by comparison... but i'd have to log in agan to double check.
i don't even remember off the top of my head what it was, but i remember seeing 2 peices of the healing set i have on my ret pally on beta where one was dps and the other healing and it felt like the healing one was less than it should have been by comparison... but i'd have to log in agan to double check.
even if you dont have a Ret set of gear, i would still condider it over trying to do any kind of AoE killing in the expac. there simply wont be enough mobs to round up with every single person in wow doing the same quest you are doing . . .
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but from what i've seen it will either be the same or less SP than the DPS one.
If it's less sp, then that doesn't make much sense. So DPS gear will actually be better for healing than healing gear once converted? If that's the case, then someone at Blizzard apparently got into the Brewfest beer a bit early and botched this up.
Edited, Sep 26th 2008 1:41pm by YJMark
Well for differences you can always compare what you have with what is on Wowhead's Wrath of the lich king site.
As for the brewfest spell power trinkets the iron smoking pipe appears slightly better 155 spell power for 20 secs vs 153 for the direbrew hops. Corin Direbrew's drops
to check out current trinket changes check out http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?items=4.-4&filter=qu=3:4;minrl=70;cr=131;crs=2;crv=0#0-2+1
Edited, Sep 27th 2008 2:36pm by cbadger
As for the brewfest spell power trinkets the iron smoking pipe appears slightly better 155 spell power for 20 secs vs 153 for the direbrew hops. Corin Direbrew's drops
to check out current trinket changes check out http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?items=4.-4&filter=qu=3:4;minrl=70;cr=131;crs=2;crv=0#0-2+1
Edited, Sep 27th 2008 2:36pm by cbadger
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I wonder if they will equalize in WotLK.
Those items are equivalent to the Essence of the Martyr and the Icon of the Silver Crescent, which do equalize in Wrath. They carry the exact same stats in the beta. WoWinsider did an article about this not too long ago -- there are some items where -- once the conversion happens -- healers will find they gain more spellpower from the old damage version than the healing versions. I think the rings from Violet eye were specifically mentioned. I picked up an extra cloak in Kara (can't remember if it was from a boss or trash) to use for grinding because it had a bit more spell damage than my Prince cloak -- in beta, it actually has more overall spellpower, though it lacks in the stam/int department.
Mark asks: So DPS gear will actually be better for healing than healing gear once converted?
In terms of pure spellpower, yes, some dps gear will be better once converted. However, keep in mind that dps gear will also likely be lacking in some of the other stats that we need, such as Int, spell crit and mp5, so it may not end up being 'better'.
Edited, Sep 28th 2008 9:26am by meagherly
A holy paladin will still want to stack the spell power, Intellect, Stamina, critical strike and mp5 they can get. I did some experimenting on the PTR and didn't seem to do too bad with the dailies. Some of the fun pulls along the ledge were better with the Critidan build at 70
The holy mana battery doesn't seem as viable a healer at 70.
The holy mana battery doesn't seem as viable a healer at 70.
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In terms of pure spellpower, yes, some dps gear will be better once converted. However, keep in mind that dps gear will also likely be lacking in some of the other stats that we need, such as Int, spell crit and mp5, so it may not end up being 'better'.
Ahhh - very good point. However, it just seems wierd to me that a DPS (in DPS gear) can have a higher +heal bonus than a healer (in healing gear). I think it'll take me a while to get used to the spell power thing.
I am confident it'll work out fine, but it'll just take some getting used to.
Thanks.
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even if you dont have a Ret set of gear, i would still condider it over trying to do any kind of AoE killing in the expac. there simply wont be enough mobs to round up with every single person in wow doing the same quest you are doing . . .
That's why you do like I will be doing and finish up all the quests in outlands. By the time I'm finished with Blade's Edge, SMV, Netherstorm, Terrokar, and the last pit of Nagrand the starter area in Northrend should be nice and clear.
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