New changes to the treesFollow

arcane stability is overpowered. they've really concentrated on adding aoe power to fire for raids. even with the crit added to blizzard, can anyone say that frost is a superior aoe school anymore? certainly not damage-wise.

focus magic really seems like the first rough attempt to give mages a passive raid buff. it would be better implemented as an aura instead of this bug-prone and complicated afterthought. what truly sends my blood pressure through the roof is that amplify/dampen magic remain the most useless spells in the game since wow came out. combining those two into a single offensive/defensive effect still remains the one thing i most want to see. and i would much much rather have that than yet *another* tiny boost in someone's damage.

efficient high dps made uninterruptable by damage? it's not overpowered for arcane missiles because you pay the mana for AM upfront allowing others to counterspell or stun you and you lose the cost. so for a spell where you have no risk until it's actually completed...

there are various pushback resistance talents, but none of them are a guarantee and pushback as a mechanic is being toned down quite severely already. there is the set bonus from tier4, but should we equate equipment rewards with talent points which are gained merely by leveling up? and to have immunity to pushback without spending equipment slots...

i dunno. maybe it won't stand out too much compared to various things comming in wotlk like tanks who can deal dps.

the possibility of counterspell is not more dangerous for arcane than any other school. certainly not more dangerous for AB than for AM considering their cast and channel times. since only one class has counter spell (which requires that it hit the target during their cast or channel to have any effect unless you have the talents), the danger of having a school locked out is relatively minor, and not a reason to worry about casting spells. stuns, fears, interrupt effects -- every class has something like this, and these DO function differently for cast spells compared to channeled spells. in terms of mana loss and also damage caused. it's true that channeled spells begin to deal damage sooner, but you don't pay mana in chunks as you channel, it's all paid up front.

my original argument was that since AM has such a long channel time, and even the fact of it being channeled makes it quite reasonable to allow a talent for pushback immunity. it's still vulnerable to other means of spell disruption anyway.

i guess i really don't care that much about one little nice talent shallow in the arcane tree, but i still insist that it's overpowered even if it's not the MOST overpowered talent to take a turn on the test server.

I lost you when you said 'efficient.'


And don't forget about spelllock by warlocks and I believe there are a few others, bash by druids maybe?

a CS/Poly/Blink is far better than using AB/AM.

Well I guess that is one way to make a spell useless.

Heh, you (or whoever you copy/pasted from) probably READ 300%, but typed 30%, because the subconscious couldn't handle the shock ;-)

tbh, I thought it was a mistake when I first saw it as well, but it appears to be confirmed ... I can only guess they're stretching the penalty to the limit to get some benchmark figures of the spell in it's worst state, then they'll rectify it.

Or maybe I'm just transferring my Titan's Grip hopes and wishes onto Arcane Blast as well (*holding thumbs for both scenarios very tightly*), cos they surely can't leave both in this condition - They'll never be used.

Wow 200% instead of 300%. That makes it much more viable now.
/sarcastic

improved scorch only affecting scorch...? whoever's serving their coolaid might need to be called under investigation. as far as i'm concerned, if arcane can't have a spammable, efficient spell, then there's no need for the tree. the crippling lack of a serious bolt spell has always meant that arcane is merely a nerfed fire spec with one or two different nifty tricks. in the end, i'd be far happier if arcane was used as it was meant to be: the utility and efficiency tree.

they're trying, it seems, with talents like focus magic and improved blink, pom, prismatic cloak, slow.... to create a talent tree for mages that is not so much about damage, but about giving mages a brand of combat utility and surviveability that has so far been dominated by frost. so far... the utility has been so half-assed and situationally useful that it's not worth the talent points or the global cooldown to use. pure damage remains a more useful tool in the mages' belt.

at this point, i don't want yet another DD spell that i'll never EVER use. delete arcane blast if you aren't make it relevant, and give me something that will actually change how i play rather than wearing my #1 key into a nub.

i do not understand the rationale behind imp scorch affecting only your damaging scorch spells, are they getting a bug whereby missed or partial resist scorches are applying the debuff? I did recall that the talent was made to give synergy to other schools of magic, I guess they think its OP.

I refer to my sig for the answer (-_-)

Hang on. Does that change mean that the effect from imp scorch (+crit chance) affect only newly casts scorches? Or does it mean that the effect is only applied if your scorch actually hits.

Since the latter wouldn't really be much of a nerf.

Oh and please whack me if I'm missing out something totally obvious again.

Poor wording.

The new thing about Imp Scorch simply means:

A Scorch that's totally resisted or absorbed (or reflected) will not put up Imp Scorch.

/smack -- you scared me.