Its possible its different on the beta, and its even possible that it does have good uses.
You're just wrong about me not having tried it.
I hope it does have its uses, and I hope it turns out better than it is on the PTR right now, I was excited to mess around with it.
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But hey, beta's more up to date than the PTR
And usually a bit less laggy ;)
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=fhecRjMsirocuZ0xZhbb
That's my latest Mut build for 70...
That's my latest Mut build for 70...
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Hi,
I'm new to the forum and had a build question. Just got to level 60 on my rogue, moving towards the 20/41 Combat build. 3.0 and all the changes I have read about on this forum make things quite different now.
What would you recommend for leveling towards 70 with the new talents? Just continue with Combat Swords, building towards 5/51/5, or is Mutilate a better way to level up to 70 now?
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Thyrkill
I'm new to the forum and had a build question. Just got to level 60 on my rogue, moving towards the 20/41 Combat build. 3.0 and all the changes I have read about on this forum make things quite different now.
What would you recommend for leveling towards 70 with the new talents? Just continue with Combat Swords, building towards 5/51/5, or is Mutilate a better way to level up to 70 now?
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Thyrkill
Until 3.0 hits in a couple of weeks (Oct. 13? iirc) Combat still allows for the least amount of down-time and thus more xp/hour than other builds. But only marginally. I solo as Shadow Step all the time and dailies don't take much more time than when I do them as Combat. I'd stick to Combat for leveling, just noting that now that quests > grinding for xp/hour, the difference is smaller.
I would not suggest Mutilate builds until after the patch, at which point I'm preferring them over Combat. As of Beta build 9014, Mutilate is still showing me better dps than combat for grinding quest mobs at 70 with equal down-time. This may change, nothing is set in stone.
Also important to note: Leveling builds are not the same as level-cap builds. Certain talents are more vital for quest-grinding than for end game raiding or PvP. Don't try to "work toward" an end game build while leveling, you will probably pass by a useful talent or two.
Welcome to Outland!
*edit for clarification
Edited, Oct 1st 2008 4:12pm by TherionSaysWhat
I would not suggest Mutilate builds until after the patch, at which point I'm preferring them over Combat. As of Beta build 9014, Mutilate is still showing me better dps than combat for grinding quest mobs at 70 with equal down-time. This may change, nothing is set in stone.
Also important to note: Leveling builds are not the same as level-cap builds. Certain talents are more vital for quest-grinding than for end game raiding or PvP. Don't try to "work toward" an end game build while leveling, you will probably pass by a useful talent or two.
Welcome to Outland!
*edit for clarification
Edited, Oct 1st 2008 4:12pm by TherionSaysWhat
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Thanks for the help Therion. I will try to move through the next 10 levels as quickly as possible before the patch hits.
What talents do you feel are vital to leveling? If you don't mind answering.
Thyrkill
What talents do you feel are vital to leveling? If you don't mind answering.
Thyrkill
Thyrkill wrote:
Thanks for the help Therion. I will try to move through the next 10 levels as quickly as possible before the patch hits.
What talents do you feel are vital to leveling? If you don't mind answering.
Thyrkill
What talents do you feel are vital to leveling? If you don't mind answering.
Thyrkill
Work towards something like this for now; http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboxZMhEz0VzxMGot
this is my subtlety spec.
Why imp S&D? Why Enveloping Shadows over Initiative? And why no Relentless?
Looks most like a subtlety raid build or such to me, but I can't get around the logics of it.
Looks most like a subtlety raid build or such to me, but I can't get around the logics of it.
Ive been without internet at my house for a month (just moved and I hate the cable company now) so ive been out of the loop from reading the forums a bit.
I see that shadow dance has changed at some point during my hiatus to be an effective talent. My question is as follow:
Is having a dagger in a sub build, not for primary usage but to pull out only when you are shadow dancing, an effective tactic so you can utilize those ambushes for 8 seconds? I ask this, hoping not to get flamed, because I am assuming sap wont be very effective since your opponent will be in combat and CS/garrote have their DR's.
Any feedback is appreciated and sorry if its been touched on before. I couldnt find it!
I see that shadow dance has changed at some point during my hiatus to be an effective talent. My question is as follow:
Is having a dagger in a sub build, not for primary usage but to pull out only when you are shadow dancing, an effective tactic so you can utilize those ambushes for 8 seconds? I ask this, hoping not to get flamed, because I am assuming sap wont be very effective since your opponent will be in combat and CS/garrote have their DR's.
Any feedback is appreciated and sorry if its been touched on before. I couldnt find it!
am going to try this when i am lvling my dagger rogue
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ecobZ0xZxbfbIGzdVzAbot
any tips other then go combat?
ok that was weird it redid my build
Edited, Oct 4th 2008 4:58pm by scottyjames
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ecobZ0xZxbfbIGzdVzAbot
any tips other then go combat?
ok that was weird it redid my build
Edited, Oct 4th 2008 4:58pm by scottyjames
scottyjames wrote:
am going to try this when i am lvling my dagger rogue
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebZMgV0xiz0fd0gRox
any tips other then go combat?
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ebZMgV0xiz0fd0gRox
any tips other then go combat?
...What?
If you're going to level as daggers, level as mutilate.
If you're going to level as combat daggers, at least get Puncturing Wounds.
yeh sorry about that my build got messed up somehow anyway should show a Subtlety spec
We've been through this discussion thousands of times. Positional attacks are not viable for efficient leveling.
Agreed that Pos attacks can be rough for leveling. My Shadow dance/Ambush question was purely for PvP consideration. If there's a thread on that just point me in the right direction! Thanks.
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Agreed that Pos attacks can be rough for leveling. My Shadow dance/Ambush question was purely for PvP consideration. If there's a thread on that just point me in the right direction! Thanks.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=1223191602289796477;num=7;page=1
finally got around to playin around on a beta rogue, and i gotta say
from a aspect of fun, im in love with my @#%^-ret HFB build <33
i will definately be going full-on HFB for casual rogue play, as i dont seriously arena anymore.... and its just a truckload of flashy numbers
still adjusting to muti though, not managing my combo points well, but i will definately be leveling as muti/HFB
since the build is pretty well equipped at level 70
pvp build? not really, has big control issues staying in melee range (i definately see muti/prep being a lot better for that then HFB)... but it adds a mechanic that regardless of how good the skill actually is, keeping up HFB and having tons of combo points is just killer
when i finalize my fun version of the build, ill let you guys know
EDIT: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=fhecoxMoiroIuAo0xVZxb might be the way to go with pve in mind... not sure
Edited, Oct 8th 2008 10:41am by mongoosexcore
from a aspect of fun, im in love with my @#%^-ret HFB build <33
i will definately be going full-on HFB for casual rogue play, as i dont seriously arena anymore.... and its just a truckload of flashy numbers
still adjusting to muti though, not managing my combo points well, but i will definately be leveling as muti/HFB
since the build is pretty well equipped at level 70
pvp build? not really, has big control issues staying in melee range (i definately see muti/prep being a lot better for that then HFB)... but it adds a mechanic that regardless of how good the skill actually is, keeping up HFB and having tons of combo points is just killer
when i finalize my fun version of the build, ill let you guys know
EDIT: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=fhecoxMoiroIuAo0xVZxb might be the way to go with pve in mind... not sure
Edited, Oct 8th 2008 10:41am by mongoosexcore
i was thinking how combat daggers/backstab could work.
i got bored and tried it w/my free respec on the ptr today.
its kinda nice, of course no way to test at 80, no way to test w/gear scaling, and no way to compare.
i forgot what it was like having burstable damage on rogue though, ive been shs and combat for too long.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=20520520502050102231005012500050230050000000000000000004020000000000000000000000000
Theres no math behind it other than take the stuff that you'd normally boost backstab with. so its not perfect yet.
the only concern i have, is i might be crit capped on most things because i'm running around 30% crit normally, + the 30 from puncturing wounds.
just for fun build though.
i got bored and tried it w/my free respec on the ptr today.
its kinda nice, of course no way to test at 80, no way to test w/gear scaling, and no way to compare.
i forgot what it was like having burstable damage on rogue though, ive been shs and combat for too long.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=20520520502050102231005012500050230050000000000000000004020000000000000000000000000
Theres no math behind it other than take the stuff that you'd normally boost backstab with. so its not perfect yet.
the only concern i have, is i might be crit capped on most things because i'm running around 30% crit normally, + the 30 from puncturing wounds.
just for fun build though.
EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
i was thinking how combat daggers/backstab could work.
i got bored and tried it w/my free respec on the ptr today.
its kinda nice, of course no way to test at 80, no way to test w/gear scaling, and no way to compare.
i forgot what it was like having burstable damage on rogue though, ive been shs and combat for too long.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=20520520502050102231005012500050230050000000000000000004020000000000000000000000000
Theres no math behind it other than take the stuff that you'd normally boost backstab with. so its not perfect yet.
the only concern i have, is i might be crit capped on most things because i'm running around 30% crit normally, + the 30 from puncturing wounds.
just for fun build though.
i got bored and tried it w/my free respec on the ptr today.
its kinda nice, of course no way to test at 80, no way to test w/gear scaling, and no way to compare.
i forgot what it was like having burstable damage on rogue though, ive been shs and combat for too long.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogue=20520520502050102231005012500050230050000000000000000004020000000000000000000000000
Theres no math behind it other than take the stuff that you'd normally boost backstab with. so its not perfect yet.
the only concern i have, is i might be crit capped on most things because i'm running around 30% crit normally, + the 30 from puncturing wounds.
just for fun build though.
That build is terrible. Mutilate will crush the **** out of that build at 80.
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That build is terrible. Mutilate will crush the sh*t out of that build at 80.
yea i know, thats why i said just for fun on the PTR lol.
theo, is combat daggers even viable anymore? for killing sunwell mobs it was decent.
what builds are really premier builds. mutilate and combat swords are obviously still good, and i know combat shiv builds have been rater destructive with poison scaling.
Edited, Oct 8th 2008 3:34pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
theo, is combat daggers even viable anymore?
Ugggh people need to stop using this stupid word, it's as loose and overused as your mom.
EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
what builds are really premier builds. mutilate and combat swords fist/dagger are obviously still good, and i know combat shiv builds have been rater destructive with poison scaling.
You should probably pay more attention.
thanks theo : )
on a side note again i didn't realize the sticky had 3.0+ specs in it and was updated
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=12176583197436143;page=1;howmany=50#m1221519279256021207
maybe this thread should die?
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 11:03am by EnthalpyTheBurninator
on a side note again i didn't realize the sticky had 3.0+ specs in it and was updated
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=12176583197436143;page=1;howmany=50#m1221519279256021207
maybe this thread should die?
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 11:03am by EnthalpyTheBurninator
Yeah, man it's confusing when I put the date that the sticky was last updated on it.
EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
thanks theo : )
on a side note again i didn't realize the sticky had 3.0+ specs in it and was updated
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=12176583197436143;page=1;howmany=50#m1221519279256021207
maybe this thread should die?
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 11:03am by EnthalpyTheBurninator
on a side note again i didn't realize the sticky had 3.0+ specs in it and was updated
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=4;mid=12176583197436143;page=1;howmany=50#m1221519279256021207
maybe this thread should die?
Edited, Oct 9th 2008 11:03am by EnthalpyTheBurninator
Therion's fault - he started this thread (after the sticky was updated)
BAD Therion!
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