Hey everyone!
I just wanted your guys input.
I had started doing Kara/heroics as mm not long ago and I had never once topped dps. There was always some enhancement shaman or mage that would pew pew their faces off and top dps.
I made the really smart change to being BM (after being mm even as leveling) and after getting the hang of it I noticed my dps had a huge damage increase(topping dps in heroics/raids). I guess I found my spec hehe.
Annnyways, I joined a certain guild and a friend said I should join their group for ZA. I was a bit scared since I had never done it before, and was afraid of causing my infamous wipes, but it all went well. Really well for that matter.
I was top damage by quite a bit, even though I was less geared than others.
So here's the big question.
Am I under geared for ZA and just had a sh*tty group (we had a bad MT and wiped after we downed the eagle boss) or am I "just right" for it and have uber 1337 skills? ha ha
I'm just asking because I'm not sure if I should join another guild or not. Thanks for the help!
Here's my character:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorefiend&n=Nikuu
Also, if possible lemme know what I can improve on! thanks again :D
Edit: I'm getting the badge xbow within this week, and some new pants...
Edited, Sep 14th 2008 9:58am by Nikooh
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If you where at the top of the meters in ZA that would mean you are not undergeared for it.
Now, some questions for you. Do you use the macro that is in the guide? Have you ready the stickies?
Your spec is a little bit off of the "cookie cutter". I would suggest reading the sticky and adjusting. The 2 points into animal handler do help your pet some. As can the improved pet rez. With the sta you have you can afford to get rid of a few points in endurance. Once you replace your legs i would get the AP leg kit over the sta one. Also at this point you can, and probably should, start gemming for agi more then AP. You are also 5 points under the hit rating cap. Not a huge deal but something to think about. Once you do get the badge crossbow i would strongly recommend the 28 crit scope. It is worth the cost of mats.
Now, some questions for you. Do you use the macro that is in the guide? Have you ready the stickies?
Your spec is a little bit off of the "cookie cutter". I would suggest reading the sticky and adjusting. The 2 points into animal handler do help your pet some. As can the improved pet rez. With the sta you have you can afford to get rid of a few points in endurance. Once you replace your legs i would get the AP leg kit over the sta one. Also at this point you can, and probably should, start gemming for agi more then AP. You are also 5 points under the hit rating cap. Not a huge deal but something to think about. Once you do get the badge crossbow i would strongly recommend the 28 crit scope. It is worth the cost of mats.
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Yeah I recently respecced for imp mend pet over animal hander and was thinking about respeccing back again today haha.
Thank's for the tip on less endurance but I like the nice boost of pet hp it gives... and my pet rarely dies so I find imp res useless for now.
Also, I am macro free, because I find it just works better for me.
Hmm, yeah I noticed I needed more hit for my cap but didn't take it serious, maybe I'll gem up for hit! I'm also engi and have the 28 crit scope recipe so I'm gonna make that as soon as I get the xbow..
Really big help, thanks. Agil is a good idea.
Also, I'm trying to replace my noob epics (aka my pants) as soon as possible and didn't bother with putting a new kit on it.
Thank's for the tip on less endurance but I like the nice boost of pet hp it gives... and my pet rarely dies so I find imp res useless for now.
Also, I am macro free, because I find it just works better for me.
Hmm, yeah I noticed I needed more hit for my cap but didn't take it serious, maybe I'll gem up for hit! I'm also engi and have the 28 crit scope recipe so I'm gonna make that as soon as I get the xbow..
Really big help, thanks. Agil is a good idea.
Also, I'm trying to replace my noob epics (aka my pants) as soon as possible and didn't bother with putting a new kit on it.
Your gear is fine for ZA, but there are some small things. Get a hit/agi gem and get capped, get the 12 Agi/3% crit damage meta gem, and start gemmeing/enchanting for agi. You rarely want to use gems other than Agi beyond the two blues and two yellows for the meta socket requirements (which can be met with as few as 2 green gems) unless you're still short on hit rating.
Your gear is good, just needs some tweaking.
Your gear is good, just needs some tweaking.
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Yeah unfortunately I got my meta gem back in my "noobish" days... you know... back when I thought hellreaver was the best weapon from ramps. ;]
I thank you for your info on more agility, it helps this huntard very much so.
I thank you for your info on more agility, it helps this huntard very much so.
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I've actually have messed around with every possible aspect of the Hunter talents. I think MM is just a waste, especially aimed shot. I went BM/Surv for the improved traps and stamina for arena's.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?tal=5520000052521005310510000000000000000000003303032500000000000000
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?tal=5520000052521005310510000000000000000000003303032500000000000000
Nikooh, you can get rid of 4 of those points in Endurance and put them into Animal Handler and Improved Revive Pet. You shouldn't need the endurance for solo grinding, and hunters don't need more than 9k HP until Black Temple.
CK, I wouldn't mention that you went BM/SV. It doesn't sit well around here. Trapping talents are a crutch. You don't need them if you're smart. And if you're taking them, you're missing out on two really key DPS talents in the MM tree.
CK, I wouldn't mention that you went BM/SV. It doesn't sit well around here. Trapping talents are a crutch. You don't need them if you're smart. And if you're taking them, you're missing out on two really key DPS talents in the MM tree.
ckposeiden wrote:
I've actually have messed around with every possible aspect of the Hunter talents. I think MM is just a waste, especially aimed shot. I went BM/Surv for the improved traps and stamina for arena's.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?tal=5520000052521005310510000000000000000000003303032500000000000000
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?tal=5520000052521005310510000000000000000000003303032500000000000000
And even there I wouldnt use it.
The first 20 points in MM are golden, and every single person should have them.
Regardless of spec or what you want to do with your hunter.
They are that good
(ofcourse, you can switch around a bit, but not much)
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Posted: Oct 05 2008 at 11:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have also tried every Hunter spec. Currently the popular raid spec is Beast.
What are you talking about. And what BM hunters are you playing with? It is a proven fact that the Cookie Cutter BM build is the highest dps build for a hunter. If you are beating BM hunters then they are doing something terribly wrong.
If you claim to be such a monster on the charts, link an armory, show me a screenshot. Quote some numbers. I am a BM hunter, i can hit over 1600 dps. I cannot get anywhere near that as MM. And my pet as MM is NEVER close to my pet as BM.
In closing i am calling bullsh*t. I am calling you out as having no clue what you are talking about. And if you do beat some scrub-*** BM hunters then you should not be gloating, My brand new 70 shammy in greens can wax a sh*tty hunter.
*edit* spelling
Edited, Oct 5th 2008 4:33pm by rinkkel
If you claim to be such a monster on the charts, link an armory, show me a screenshot. Quote some numbers. I am a BM hunter, i can hit over 1600 dps. I cannot get anywhere near that as MM. And my pet as MM is NEVER close to my pet as BM.
In closing i am calling bullsh*t. I am calling you out as having no clue what you are talking about. And if you do beat some scrub-*** BM hunters then you should not be gloating, My brand new 70 shammy in greens can wax a sh*tty hunter.
*edit* spelling
Edited, Oct 5th 2008 4:33pm by rinkkel
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I have also tried every Hunter spec. Currently the popular raid spec is Beast.
Here is a link to what i refer to as the Genaric hunter spec build.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cE...xRidVoVVbRV
Now if u realy was to drop some dps ina raid or just embarass the heck out of the beast hunters try this spec. I use
no macros or anything else. I detroy beast hunters on raids as well as everyone one else.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ce...VVbRizGeotc
make sure u have a dps pet with Claw and bite 9 And watch the beast hunters get upset as your pet does as much damage as theres. lol
Here is a link to what i refer to as the Genaric hunter spec build.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cE...xRidVoVVbRV
Now if u realy was to drop some dps ina raid or just embarass the heck out of the beast hunters try this spec. I use
no macros or anything else. I detroy beast hunters on raids as well as everyone one else.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ce...VVbRizGeotc
make sure u have a dps pet with Claw and bite 9 And watch the beast hunters get upset as your pet does as much damage as theres. lol
No, just no.
Topping damage charts in a battleground doesn't count.
I have found that hunters can beat about any class in single/few target dps. It seems to be around the multi-shot skill so say 3 targets or less. Mages, Paladins and locks tend to better me in AOE style combats. Our lock was pulling 2k dps in Kara against the trash AOE, I couldn't change targets fast enough to do anything reasonable.
We we are clearing AOE trash in Kara, best I hit is #3 if we have a mage/lock or paladin with us. I can nail #1 or #2 (along with another hunter) against bosses in Kara.
It may be the way I'm playing or using my macros but I'm only 'meh' against any more than 3 targets. Fewer than 3 (especially 1) and I can blaze away. If I'm asked to do CC, (like against Moroes) then my dps drops because I have to keep CC up. So, all the critical fights, a hunter should be in the top 3. Against trash with AOE expert casters in the group, I'm happy if I hit #3...
We we are clearing AOE trash in Kara, best I hit is #3 if we have a mage/lock or paladin with us. I can nail #1 or #2 (along with another hunter) against bosses in Kara.
It may be the way I'm playing or using my macros but I'm only 'meh' against any more than 3 targets. Fewer than 3 (especially 1) and I can blaze away. If I'm asked to do CC, (like against Moroes) then my dps drops because I have to keep CC up. So, all the critical fights, a hunter should be in the top 3. Against trash with AOE expert casters in the group, I'm happy if I hit #3...
They took away the cooldown for our Volley, I was over 4k dps in Hyjal. The locks and mages where PISSED!!
Cool, but I wonder how long THAT will last... ;D
rinkkel, ****** Superhero wrote:
They took away the cooldown for our Volley
Really? Didn't even notice. Guess I should start using it more often.
It also scales with AP and can crit now. :)
At least it did last time I heard...
At least it did last time I heard...
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So, all the critical fights, a hunter should be in the top 3. Against trash with AOE expert casters in the group, I'm happy if I hit #3...
As far as I'm conserned thrash should never be dps race. It simply dont matter unless you're overgeared group doing chest runs in ZA.
I don't even mind that bad that I can't hold my top place against good hunter with my mage. Hunters scale so good atm in higher raids and they dont need to be build around Spriest/shaman to do dmg. IMO it's nice that the class with pet actually makes most dmg WITH the pet and not on it's own...
Ieatrocks wrote:
It also scales with AP and can crit now. :)
At least it did last time I heard...
At least it did last time I heard...
Holy mother of Cenarius...
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Oh jeez. It's even better than just that.
It takes a TON of Mana, though.
Edit: I didn't realize that when I went in to test it that first time, I didn't have my talents set at all. I set a 50/11 build and tried it again. I saw 1k crits on the center dummy, and pretty decent ones on the far sides. I was doing over 600 DPS to 3 targets. I can't wait to take it to Hyjal.
Edited, Oct 10th 2008 5:55am by ProjectMidnight
Well, at least know hunters have a real DPS output in Volley, instead of the terribly lackluster damage done by the previous version.
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rinkkel, ****** Superhero wrote:
What are you talking about. And what BM hunters are you playing with? It is a proven fact that the Cookie Cutter BM build is the highest dps build for a hunter.
41/20/0 is the cookie cutter BM build. The first 20 of the Marksman tree really are useful.
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rinkkel, ****** Superhero wrote:
What are you talking about. And what BM hunters are you playing with? It is a proven fact that the Cookie Cutter BM build is the highest dps build for a hunter.
41/20/0 is the cookie cutter BM build. The first 20 of the Marksman tree really are useful
What are you talking about. And what BM hunters are you playing with? It is a proven fact that the Cookie Cutter BM build is the highest dps build for a hunter.
41/20/0 is the cookie cutter BM build. The first 20 of the Marksman tree really are useful
Not to sound like a pompous *** hole but, no sh*t. That is exactly what i was saying. Read a few posts before you try to quote me trying to find mistake i make.
*edit* Ok sorry for sounding like such a douche-bag. Yes the first 20 points in MM are very useful. On that you are correct.
Edited, Oct 12th 2008 9:40pm by rinkkel
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rinkkel, ****** Superhero wrote:
Not to sound like a pompous *** hole but, no sh*t. That is exactly what i was saying. Read a few posts before you try to quote me trying to find mistake i make.
I wasn't trying to catch you in a mistake. It seems I misunderstood who your post was aimed at. I had thought you were trying to refute what Aethien said. I realize you were going after the guy who said MM sucks. My mistake.
Edited, Oct 12th 2008 7:51pm by Froggums
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