3.0.2 on PTR; Hunter changesFollow

Strange that you went to play hunter because rogue changes are so dissapointing... I was thinking of doing the reverse for the exact same reason.

Pets and stuff are pretty cool, but raidwise the problems with the hunter class are far from fixed.
And we really get the shaft on glyphs... they all suck.. badly.
(+50% petdamage when you're using eyes of the beast whooo! )

Mana problems are still very much here, and it will now take roughly a half minute in Viper to fill your mana bar from 0 to full.

HALF A MINUTE.
And that's including consumables and buffs.

And Lock n load is nerfed down to 1 free shot.

Oh yes, and with what our raidgear looks like for WotLK, we'll be having scaling issues too with all that haste.
If they keep pumping that up we just wont be able to keep up damage wise.
And what else do we bring except for damage?

Are the rogue changes really that bad?

I havent paid much attention to them tbh and all I've heard so far is that they've become stronger than before...

From what I've seen on the PTR (haven't been on Beta) the live version of Viper is much better. Granted, I haven't really had a chance to play with it in an instance setting as the PTR is too unstable for me to have the gumption to try it, but from a playing around with new abilities and testing stuff out it is noticeably worse.

While running around farming/doing dailies on live my mana constantly full and I'm at almost max damage. Hell even in a boss fight I can ride viper the whole time (usually do since the group I run with doesn't have a ret pally and we pretty much just farm Kara for badges) and still go over 1400 DPS pretty easily (I'm still in kara gear and the badge bow so don't judge too harshly :p). With the massive cut in damage for the time it takes for me to get my mana back up in viper I can't see the trade off being worthwhile. Haven't really played with survival enough to make a good judgment, but I'm still unconvinced.

The last version on Beta was pretty OP, but for a 50% damage cut the version on the PTR just doesn't seem worthwhile.

Like you said though, just my personal experience.

Edited, Sep 16th 2008 11:33am by Ieatrocks

Well, I'll put it this way: the number one most required rogue talent got moved from Assassination to Sub, and went from ONE talent point to FIVE.

They were trying to make the talent "more accessible" (direct Blizzard quote). Yeah.

I'm not pissed at all, can you tell?

Yep exotics work. I tamed Uvuros O_O and only because he was lagged so badly that the channeling completed while he sat there frozen.

I went ahead and downloaded the PTR last night out of boredom and copied my level 70 hunter and paladin over to mess with. (only to find that the server was down until midnight for maintenance. So I decided to stay up, and it was still down. It was down for a good two more hours, so I sit here at work, slightly dazed looking, and very sleep deprived)

A couple things right off. I tried disengage a few times because it looked fun. The first time, I stepped back *maybe* a foot. I was like oh, this isn't quite like I was expecting, that's too bad. But the second time, woah! Flying backwards through the air! :P Kinda fun.

I talented up my pet, and tried it out. Even though I went beastmaster, i went ahead and used my normal pet because I didn't want to be up all night exploring for new exotic pets (that comes this evening!)

I think my pet was nearly invincible. Not to mention all sorts of weird abilities firing right and left off it (zip! pow! flash! sparkle!), my pet just didn't seem to be taking much damage. I figured it was since I was in Nagrand and the mobs were pretty low, so I kited my pet about and got 4 mobs on it and waited. Its life *slowly* went down, but woah, suddenly it started moving back up! I looked at my combat log, and it was channeling 'lick wounds' for around 1,200 health a tick! Definitely not expecting that one to make it out of PTR.

Also another thing I noticed... it seemed my auto shot was going off while I was casting steady shot? o.O Is this the end of worrying about weapon speed so much? Spam steady and arcane with stings refreshed when needed?

EDIT: Oh yeah, one more thing I tested out was how much damage a frozen target could take before it broke. If you go attack it, it could take a hit or two before breaking. If you serpent sting the mob first, the trap duration actually runs down all the way before the poison damage breaks it. Talk about a huge buff! HUGE BUFF to hunter CC.



Edited, Sep 18th 2008 11:10am by digitalcraft

Wingclip: No longer does damage.

Hmmm so maybe in pvp before the <insert form of crowd control here> you do a drive by wing clip not removing the cc but when it does wake up he is already moving slowly. And if your lucky the imp. wing clip procs and he doesn't move even after the cc. Will this produce diminishing returns though? i don't fully get how this works but say you blind him (rogue ofc) and then with .5s left on the blind you do the wing clip and the imp. wing clip proc, would the fact that your now frozen in place get dimminishing returns or no? (quite scary really, the thought of possible getting flamed by theo and i'm not even on the rogue forums!!)