3.0.2 on PTR; Rogue changesFollow

PTR is up for patch 3.0.2! Among the vast changes you'll see, here are the rogue changes:

Anesthetic Poison now also dispels one Enrage effect on the target.

Blade Twisting (Combat) now cause all damaging melee attacks to have a 10% chance to daze for 4/8 seconds movement speed reduced by 70%.

Camouflage (Subtlety) reduced to 3 ranks for 5/10/15% speed and 2/4/6 secs off the cooldown of Stealth.

Cloak of Shadows cooldown increased to 1.5 min.

Crippling Poison reduced to 1 rank, slowing movement by 70%.

Dagger Specialization (Combat) renamed Close Quarters Combat, moved to tier 3, now increases critical strike chance with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 1/2/3/4/5%.

Damaging poisons now scale with attack power.

Deadened Nerves (Assassination) reduced to 3 ranks, now reduces all damage taken by 2/4/6%.

Deflection (Combat) reduced to 3 ranks, increasing parry by 2/4/6%.

Disarm Trap range increased to 20 yards, cast time reduced, now requires stealth.

Dual Wield Specialization (Combat) moved to tier 1.

Elusiveness (Subtlety) moved to Tier 3, now reduces cooldown of Vanish and Blind by 30/60 sec and Cloak of Shadows by 15/30 sec.

Energy regeneration should now be smoother.

Endurance (Combat) now reduces cooldown of Evasion and Sprint by 30/60 secs.

Envenom now also increases your chance to apply poisons by 25% for 2-6 seconds (based on combo points).

Evasion, Sprint and Vanish cooldowns reduced to 3 min.

Find Weakness (Assassination) is now a passive talent, reduced to 3 ranks, increases damage of offensive abilities by 3/6/9%.

Fist Weapon Specialization (Combat) removed.

Fleet Footed (Assassination) now reduces duration of movement impairing effects by 25/50% rather than increasing resist chance.

Gouge is now only 1 rank and causes damage based on attack power.

Improved Ambush (Subtlety) moved to Tier 4, reduced to 2 ranks for 25/50%.

Improved Eviscerate (Assassination) now increases damage by 7/14/20%.

Improved Expose Armor (Assassination) now reduces the energy cost by 5/10, no longer increases duration.

Improved Poisons (Assassination) now increases chance to apply poisons by 5/10/15/20/25%.

Improved Slice and Dice (Combat) reduced to 2 ranks, increases duration by 25/50%.

Improved Sprint (Combat) moved to Tier 4.

Initiative (Subtlety) moved to Tier 4, increased to 33/66/100% chance.

Kick is now only 1 rank and no longer causes damage.

Lethality (Assassination) now also affects Riposte.

Lightning Reflexes (Combat) moved to tier 4.

Mace Specialization (Combat) no longer stuns enemiesnow ignores 3/6/9/12/15% of target's armor.

Master of Deception (Subtlety) reduced to 3 ranks.

Mind-Numbing Poison reduced to 1 rank, slowing casting speed by 60%.

Murder (Assassination) moved to tier 6, increases damage by 2/4%.

Mutilate (Assassination) no longer requires you be behind the target.

Nerves of Steel (Combat) now reduces damage taken while Stunned or Feared by 15/30%.

Opportunity (Subtlety) reduced to 2 ranks for 10/20%.

Pick Lock and Disarm Trap no longer require Thieve's Tools.

Poisons skill removed. All finished poisons are available on vendors rather than created by the rogue.

Precision (Combat) now also increases chance to hit with poison attacks by 1/2/3/4/5%.

Premeditation (Subtlety) duration increased to 20 seconds, cooldown reduced to 20 seconds.

Preparation (Subtlety) no longer refreshes the cooldown of Premeditation.

Relentless Strikes (Assassination) moved to Tier 1 Subtlety, made 5 ranks for 4/8/12/16/20% chance.

Riposte (Combat) now slows the target's melee attacks by 20% instead of disarming them, awards one combo point.

Serrated Blades (Subtlety) moved to Tier 3.

Setup (Subtlety) chance to gain a combo point increased to 33/66/100%.

Shadowstep (Subtlety) is no longer usable while rooted.

Surprise Attacks (Combat) now also increases Hemorrhage damage.

Vanish no longer requires the reagent Flash Powder.

Vigor (Assassination) moved to Tier 3.

Vile Poisons (Assassination) reduced to 3 ranks, now increases damage of poisons and Envenom by 7/14/20% and increases dispel resistance by 10/20/30%.

Wounding Poison no longer stacks, reduces healing by 50%.

New talent tree can be found here.

It looks like we'll be seeing 3.0.2 out on live relatively soon. I expect this PTR phase to be fairly short.

Energy no longer "jumps" when filling up, instead it fills up smoothly. It sounds like a rather big change.



So, in PTR now... It'd be nice to see it tuesday, but I won't even hold my breath for a release on the 23rd ;)

Either way, I think I'll get my other s2 dagger now. I'm pretty excited to see Mutilate getting some love, even if it may not take ShS place in arena (though with that Root change, who knows). I've always loved the ability/spec, but now that it is more viable for PvP I'll have to mess around with it again. /excited


Edited, Sep 14th 2008 2:06am by ACEJester

Maybe, i'm only 59, haven't had a chance to play with it yet. Still, 5 talents? You could do a lot with that.



Yeah, but the way I understand I could potentially ambush someone 4 times in 4~ seconds. It used to say shadowdance put you in stealth, now it's saying you can use stealth abilities regularly

Edited, Sep 14th 2008 5:19am by Zafire

Technically, he could be PvPing a ****** opponent, and have no issue staying behind them to ambush without the Cheap Shot. It'd be fun for clothies, if not particularly effective on anyone else.

I assume that this means the spreadsheet won't be valid anymore until a new one is made for LK? Thanfully I haven't needed mine in a while.

Also, how many people are gonna be going Mutilate now because of the changes? I know that I'm going try to snag two daggers from my raids so I can make the change and see what its like now that its viable.

Actually, I doubt I'll play my rogue too much anymore. When I do, I may play something like this or this.

My hunter will honestly probably be my new main with all of the hunter changes.

I really, really don't like most of the rogue changes; they're incredibly underwhelming.

Prep mut or HFB mut may actually be the direction I go at 80, but only time will tell.

Has Killing Spree been implemented on the beta/PTR? Is it any good?

BF/AR takes on a whole new meaning for leveling. No more 3-4 mobs per use, more like pop BF/AR and evasion and take down 7.

Theo's build is exactly what myself and a few other raiding rogues I know are shooting for at 80 unless major changes occur. And, damn, I was hoping to post it first ;)

At 70, to hell with Killing Spree, Blood Splatter looks more useful to me (more damage over an entire run). Most of us PvE rogues will be too busy in 5-toon dungeons and leveling to worry about Spree-ing all over the place I'd guess. Unless the content has tons and tons of AoE groups that is.

For some reason, the 3.0 changes feel more like "clean-up, aisle 5" than major buffing/nerfing. Sure, some things are getting buffed and some nerfed, but still feels to me like it's just a sorting-out of thing. I have to agree, nothing (other than Muti changes) all that earth shattering.

/shrug.

It's pretty much the best talent ever for soloing.

EVERY SINGLE time you dodge, you hit the mob you dodged with a MH attack for 100% damage.

Here's a little movie of how awesome it is for soloing.

I'm still a little disappointed with the way the talent trees got shuffled around. It makes for a lot of filler talents to get to the good stuff, and you still miss out on things in low levels of other trees.

Still, once I hit 80, this will probably be my PvE spec, although the build that Theo linked will work as well depending on weapons.

Anyone got a comparable mut/pve weaps gear to test how mut is vs combat on ptr atm? They added training dummies to SW, so you can test to your hearts content(as long as its not lagging) ;'p

with hit/crit/haste rating now being shared between melee and spell

does that mean the (previously only) spell haste gems will become melee haste gems as well?

if so, worth regemming for? particularly for people with haste-based pve gear?


and im going mutilate if it stays non-position dependant

i got decent daggers banked, not sure if ill go full for HFB, but most likely i will

Edited, Sep 15th 2008 10:41am by mongoosexcore