so, i just got my hunter to 70 last week and have been reading a lot on these forums and others to learn how to maximize my dps. i see these shot rotations and while i know i'm supposed to use a 1:1 rotation with a faster weapon speed and 3:2 for slower ones but i don't know what the mean exactly. any chance anyone could help me understand this so i can make smarter decisions on weapons, haste and shot rotations?
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1:1 = You shoot 1 Steady Shot for every 1 Auto Shot.
1:1.5 = You shoot 1 Steady Shot and 1 Special (Arcane or Multi) for every 1 Auto Shot (I'm a little unsure of this one, someone please correct me if I'm wrong)
3:2 = You shoot 3 Steady Shots for every 2 Auto Shots.
Weapon Speed || Steadies || Autos || Steady:Auto
| ........ 1.59 ........ || ..... 38 ...... || .. 38 .. || ...1.00:1 ... |
| ........ 1.61 ........ || ..... 35 ...... || .. 35 .. || ...1.00:1 ... |
| ........ 1.64 ........ || ..... 24 ...... || .. 24 .. || ...1.00:1 ... | ---> Slowest speed for true 1:1
| ........ 1.67 ........ || ..... 49 ...... || .. 42 .. || ...1.17:1 ... |
| ........ 1.74 ........ || ..... 67 ...... || .. 59 .. || ...1.14:1 ... |
| ........ 1.79 ........ || ..... 40 ...... || .. 34 .. || ...1.18:1 ... |
| ........ 1.83 ........ || ..... 61 ...... || .. 47 .. || ...1.30:1 ... | ---> now closer to 3:2 than 1:1
| ........ 1.86 ........ || ..... 51 ...... || .. 38 .. || ...1.34:1 ... |
| ........ 1.88 ........ || ..... 31 ...... || .. 24 .. || ...1.30:1 ... |
| ........ 1.92 ........ || ..... 35 ...... || .. 25 .. || ...1.40:1 ... |
| ........ 1.96 ........ || ..... 26 ...... || .. 18 .. || ...1.44:1 ... |
| ........ 2.07 ........ || ..... 23 ...... || .. 16 .. || ...1.44:1 ... | ---> these speeds are the closest tested for true 3:2
| ........ 2.11 ........ || ..... 39 ...... || .. 25 .. || ...1.56:1 ... |
| ........ 2.14 ........ || ..... 24 ...... || .. 14 .. || ...1.71:1 ... |
| ........ 2.17 ........ || ..... 43 ...... || .. 23 .. || ...1.87:1 ... | ---> now closer to 2:1 than 3:2
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 4:30pm by CartmanTheFatass
1:1.5 = You shoot 1 Steady Shot and 1 Special (Arcane or Multi) for every 1 Auto Shot (I'm a little unsure of this one, someone please correct me if I'm wrong)
3:2 = You shoot 3 Steady Shots for every 2 Auto Shots.
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Weapon Speed || Steadies || Autos || Steady:Auto
| ........ 1.59 ........ || ..... 38 ...... || .. 38 .. || ...1.00:1 ... |
| ........ 1.61 ........ || ..... 35 ...... || .. 35 .. || ...1.00:1 ... |
| ........ 1.64 ........ || ..... 24 ...... || .. 24 .. || ...1.00:1 ... | ---> Slowest speed for true 1:1
| ........ 1.67 ........ || ..... 49 ...... || .. 42 .. || ...1.17:1 ... |
| ........ 1.74 ........ || ..... 67 ...... || .. 59 .. || ...1.14:1 ... |
| ........ 1.79 ........ || ..... 40 ...... || .. 34 .. || ...1.18:1 ... |
| ........ 1.83 ........ || ..... 61 ...... || .. 47 .. || ...1.30:1 ... | ---> now closer to 3:2 than 1:1
| ........ 1.86 ........ || ..... 51 ...... || .. 38 .. || ...1.34:1 ... |
| ........ 1.88 ........ || ..... 31 ...... || .. 24 .. || ...1.30:1 ... |
| ........ 1.92 ........ || ..... 35 ...... || .. 25 .. || ...1.40:1 ... |
| ........ 1.96 ........ || ..... 26 ...... || .. 18 .. || ...1.44:1 ... |
| ........ 2.07 ........ || ..... 23 ...... || .. 16 .. || ...1.44:1 ... | ---> these speeds are the closest tested for true 3:2
| ........ 2.11 ........ || ..... 39 ...... || .. 25 .. || ...1.56:1 ... |
| ........ 2.14 ........ || ..... 24 ...... || .. 14 .. || ...1.71:1 ... |
| ........ 2.17 ........ || ..... 43 ...... || .. 23 .. || ...1.87:1 ... | ---> now closer to 2:1 than 3:2
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 4:30pm by CartmanTheFatass
ok, thankyou for the quick reply. why is it then that some people seem to be saying a 3:2 rotation is better? is it just better if you have a slower weapon or is it better to get a slower weapon to use a 3:2 rotation rather than use a faster one and a 1:1 rotation? i have 3 blue weapons within about 2 dps of each other but with different speeds. i'm specc'd the cookie cutter BM spec and have about 2% extra haste on my gear from gear (MgT drops). one weapon is a 2.0 speed, one is 2.6 and one is 2.8. my understanding is that the 2.6 one is likely a bad speed, the 2.0 is almost exact 1:1 i guess and the 2.8 is a tad fast for tru 3:2 but close to that. it feels to me like i get the most dps from the 2.0 speed one, but should this be the case?
If you are the cookie cutter BM spec I would highly recommend checking out this macro made by Manito of the BigRedKitty forums. I'd spend some time reading over that short thread and the discussion thread (it's linked from that page). With the little haste you have on your gear, I'd go with the 2.8 speed weapon as it is probably the hardest hitting weapon and this should allow for spamming of that macro to result in a 1:1 shot rotation. You might have some slight push backs on your Auto Shots, but nothing really noticeable.
If you don't like that macro and would like to try another, make sure you use a 1:1 as a BM hunter. 3:2 is for SV and MM hunters with slower attack speeds.
If you don't like macros at all and have low lag and a quick hand, head up to Dr. Boom and practice weaving your Steady Shot in between every Auto Shot you fire. Not sure if you're using it or not, but the Auto Shot timer in Quartz casting bar is really nice for hunters that are trying to weave.
Also... if you're interesting in good visual for why 1:1 is optimal for BM, check out this page from TKASomething.
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:32pm by CartmanTheFatass
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:37pm by CartmanTheFatass
If you don't like that macro and would like to try another, make sure you use a 1:1 as a BM hunter. 3:2 is for SV and MM hunters with slower attack speeds.
If you don't like macros at all and have low lag and a quick hand, head up to Dr. Boom and practice weaving your Steady Shot in between every Auto Shot you fire. Not sure if you're using it or not, but the Auto Shot timer in Quartz casting bar is really nice for hunters that are trying to weave.
Also... if you're interesting in good visual for why 1:1 is optimal for BM, check out this page from TKASomething.
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:32pm by CartmanTheFatass
Edited, Sep 10th 2008 5:37pm by CartmanTheFatass
CartmanTheFatass wrote:
If you are the cookie cutter BM spec I would highly recommend checking out this macro made by Manito of the BigRedKitty forums.
Manito's Macro isn't necessary anymore. It was originally intended to prevent autoshot locking up after kill Command, but Blizzard fixed that a few months ago. If you just use the line
/cast [target=pettarget, exist] Kill Command
In your macro, it'll work just fine, and you won't need to have Kill Command out on your bars, so you'll save space.
As for what's better between the two macros... Being able to use the 1:1 macro is more ideal since it uses less mana and allows you to substitute Arcane Shot or Multi Shot for one of the Steadies if you have the Mana and need that extra DPS. However, most hunters are forced into using a 3:2 macro because we all end up with a slower weapon (meaning the Parrot of Relentless Strikes).
If your attack speed is slower than 1.6, then just use the 3:2 macro. It'll do a 3:2 if it can, but if your attack speed becomes too fast, it'll turn into a 1:1.
A little warning about the 3:2, though. If you have around a 2.0 attack speed, and really low latency (like, under 20ms), it'll start to chain Steady Shots and eating your mana while lowering your DPS. This isn't an issue with most people, but there are people like me, who live really close to their server, and often see 10ms latencies.
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make sure you use a 1:1 as a BM hunter. 3:2 is for SV and MM hunters when hasted
FTFY unless things have changed recently (haven't played in a while) 1:1.5 is for SV and MM Hunters in most cases. At least until they have the T6 set bonus and significant haste to reroll 7/21/33
And I thought 3:2 was acceptable for BM. Yes you'll clip shots, but it's still more DPS as far as I know, I stand to be corrected though.
Okay, I've gotten quite confused over the last few weeks. I've had hunters tell me I'm using the wrong rotation for my attack speed, but I'm almost positive that I'm using the right one. For a BM hunter with a 1.96 attack speed, 1:1 is the right rotation, right?
Rasen wrote:
FTFY unless things have changed recently (haven't played in a while) 1:1.5 is for SV and MM Hunters in most cases. At least until they have the T6 set bonus and significant haste to reroll 7/21/33
And I thought 3:2 was acceptable for BM. Yes you'll clip shots, but it's still more DPS as far as I know, I stand to be corrected though.
Correct.
3:2 is more dps because of the simple /cast /cast macro spam. A proper 1:1.5/1:1.4 rotation, even for a bm hunter (with a 3.0 speed bow) produces better dps than the 3:2 rotation until you are hasted (quick-shots, drums), which is where the 3:2 pulls ahead.
The problem is that for many its hard to switch rotations on the fly trying to pay attention to what's going on in the raid and keeping track of how fast you are shooting because of various haste buffs, so using the 3:2 macro all the time is easier for them then poorly executing the 1:1.5 roation when unhasted, 3:2 under minor haste and 1:1 under heavy haste (rapid fire, blood lust, haste pots, ect..).
The best thing about the 3:2 /cast /cast macro is that it is dynamic and will adjust itself to varying haste without you having to do anything except spam it.
The problem is that for many its hard to switch rotations on the fly trying to pay attention to what's going on in the raid and keeping track of how fast you are shooting because of various haste buffs, so using the 3:2 macro all the time is easier for them then poorly executing the 1:1.5 roation when unhasted, 3:2 under minor haste and 1:1 under heavy haste (rapid fire, blood lust, haste pots, ect..).
The best thing about the 3:2 /cast /cast macro is that it is dynamic and will adjust itself to varying haste without you having to do anything except spam it.
Rasen wrote:
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make sure you use a 1:1 as a BM hunter. 3:2 is for SV and MM hunters when hasted
FTFY unless things have changed recently (haven't played in a while) 1:1.5 is for SV and MM Hunters in most cases. At least until they have the T6 set bonus and significant haste to reroll 7/21/33
And I thought 3:2 was acceptable for BM. Yes you'll clip shots, but it's still more DPS as far as I know, I stand to be corrected though.
Its acceptable to clip shots to get more steadies out once your steadies are hitting harder than your arcane shots and multi shots (which typically doenst occur until you get your 4pc T6 set bonus). The main key to hunter dps is getting the most shots out in the fastest amount of time. The 4pc set bonus out-weighs this by the extra damage your doing to your steadies and the frequency your able to pump them out.
This is good to know, since I did the recruit a friend and just rerolled a horde troll hunter. And he's going marks instead of BM for leveling.
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