"Sorry we need a mage"Follow

Playing my shadowpriest at level 70 now for a few weeks. In general I like it (for PvE, less for PvP). Doing great damage in 5-mans.

But... I'm getting SO tired of being unwanted in harder heroics due to the lack of CC, especially heroic MgT. Every day the same: no way to find a pug, due to the lack of CC. (Mainly thinking of 3rd boss, ofc.)

Since Blizz is saying they don't want any classes absolutely necessary in parties/raids in WotLK, I really hope they also gonna fix the problem of classes being absolutely unwanted.

/end rant

3rd boss(es) is immune to MC. Still, a good group could do it easily with a SP.

Ah. I haven't done a full Mgt run so I didn't know. At least now I do!

hell ya. why waste time keeping a sheep at full health when you can tank, dps and then die as an NPC. a group with any confidence and know how will respect a shadow priest in a place like H MgT. 3 boss(es)...silence and aoe fears <3

To OP, do as said before, start pugging kara. Yes they might use you as shackle but is it terrible price for all those nice drops? Mostly they might want you there for dps and manabattery in healer/caster group. I wouldn't care about the reason if I get invited =)

So your guild is not running heroics or what is with them?
My own rant is that I dont find people who need a healer in Mgt. In my server we are lacking tanks and nothing else. Luckily my main is mage so at least she has easy time getting in groups atm.

You are right. Hope he doesn't need much but at least kara offers every single time around 20 great drops for each class that'll lead to gear that you wont propably change before really end game raids. I do know that I dont have to tell what those drops are =)

But then again pugging kara wouldn't move away the problem: hard time getting in Mgt hc. Maybe it's a drop there that OP is after or maybe enjoying the rep from instance runs. Who knows.

I personally specificly prohibit Mages from joining my PuGs. The reasons ain't so much about classes, but more that I might risk PuGing with Gnomes if I allow them. Shadowpriests? Love them. DPS, Heals, Mana, CC. Third boss? I can make do without a Mage.

There are some mobs in heroic mgt that if mind controlled can really make for an easy instance run. its been a while since i ran that every day for my damn nibles focus or whatever but they key is to use the mobs to your advantage.

As a priest mind controling cc type deal. you MUST avoid aoe damage because that will ruin your mc attempt in a hurry.

Most people have very big issues with bringing in a priest to mc a mob because they are so used to priests with low spellhit breaking mc's all the time and getting killed due to the insane ammount of threat mc causes.

but a spellhit capped priest can be the most effective form of cc in that instance.

same goes with a few pulls in zul aman. a priest using the shamans for there chain lightning and healing ability makes many of those pulls a cake walk.

But ya the next time try explaining to them that you are hit capped and you feel that your cc would be more than enough for the instance. cause most people dont know all that much about shadow priests i find.

Don't be so ridiculous. Any priest with hit cap and half a brain is excellent for cc in that instance. All you have to do is shield yourself before the pull and run through the pack as its pulled to stand a good distance from the group before casting mc. That way you rarely (if ever) get an interrupt. I was doing this BEFORE they nerfed the place to **** and it was never a problem even then. If you don't think its a good form of cc for this then you've never played with a decent shadow priest.

I'm almost positive that unless you are MCing a level 73 mob(which can't be done until the expansion unless there are some bosses that are able to be MC), 5/5 shadow focus puts you over the hit cap by itself. That's assuming that your Spriest wasn't pvp specced with only a couple points in shadow focus.

This http://www.wowwiki.com/Mind_control seems to indicate that distance is directly related to reliability of MC, but my comment above was only replying to the spell hit portion.

Edited, Sep 17th 2008 9:20pm by jhuseman

But if I can sometimes get a mob 30 yards away before it breaks, and sometimes I have to leash it at barley beyond 20 yards, doesn't that mean something like spell hit and heartbeat resists are causing it? That's what I assume - people with more spell hit can get farther away while keeping it from breaking early, compared to someone with no spell hit.