What is a good Ret DPS?Follow

Greetings Pally forum. Its been a while since I stepped into here. Only got my pally to the mid 40's before I tried out a hunter (and now a warrior) so its been a while.

I helped a couple guildies over the weekend run through UB on my 70 hunter. It was me (70 BM huntard), a 64 prot warrior, a 64 holy pally, 70 balance druid and a 70 ret pally. Our group was interesting to say the least, in the end the 70 balance druid was healing for the 70 ret pally who took over for tanking. I thought the 64 warrior was doing a great job regardless and the dude was picking things up pretty quickly but that is another story for another day).

Anyhow, I'm just now starting to gear up for some Kara on my hunter so I'm starting to pay attention to DPS and installed recount to help me see how I am doing. Well, after the last boss in UB I took a look at the damage and come to find out that my pet did more DPS than the 70 ret pally.

I'm on my work comp now so I am going from memory but the Ret pally had about 350 DPS and my pet was about 450. I won't link his armory as I am not trying to bash any single person, but rather gain an understanding of what a good DPS number is for a ret pally. He has 1116 AP, 17.09% crit chance, 8800HP, 6500 MP, +96 spell damage and zero melee hit though since this was UB and he was 70, I don't think the hit would hurt him that much.

Maybe he even did less since he was tanking as ret but is that something I should expect from a ret pally or was he/she just a bad player? For comparison I am normally around 800 DPS without including my pet on a level 73 (though since it was UB and I had kings & salv I was pushing 1200 which made me make a mess in my pants)

And for the record, I freaking love pally tanks. I usually offer to have mad monkey sex with them after a run.

The ret pally is either new to 70 or has no idea what he is doing. I have seen ret pallys in PvP gear put out 3-5 times that amount of DPS. I know a level 68 Ret Pally in my guild that puts out more DPS than that! For Ret, it is all about the gear. Hit rating should be at the hit cap, and around 1500AP and 25% Crit would be much more normal. If that particular Ret Pally has seen the inside of Kara yet, he got carried there by an overgeared group.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Emerald+Dream&n=Joanthepure

That is what a level 68 Ret should look like... roughly. That level 70 was not anywhere near those stats.

I keep editing this post and adding to it, because this subject just makes me want to explode. The sticky on this website by Toolofjesus should be required reading for anyone that wants to play a Ret Paladin. Ret Paladins like the one you describe are the reason why a lot of people still lawl Ret. Ret Paladins can be among the most beneficial members of a party, dungeon, or raid, by helping to maximize the DPS and surviveablility of everyone involved, but they should also know enough about their own class and spec to at least be pumping out some very respectable DPS themselves, or people will just contine to have an unnecessary stigma against Ret. If you see that guy again, very politely tell him you know of a great website where he can improve his DPS significantly just by doing a little reading. Make sure you whisper it to him so he doesn't take it as some kind of insult, but understands that you really are trying to help him get better. His lack of DPS doesn't indicate that he is a bad player, just that he needs to do some research, gear up, and learn some tricks.

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