I know this has probably been brought up somewhere, but either it's buried or I just didn't find it, so sorry if it's been beat to death already:
I'm an Enhancement Shaman, have always been, but decided I wanted to see what Elemental spec was like. I've gathered some Elemental pieces of gear, but no where NEAR what is needed to be competitive in an instance run: Only 429 spell damage with 11.19% crit, lol. Pathetic, I know. Most of what I have is actually from my Resto kit.
Anyway, I went to do the SSO dailies, and for the gear I have, was actually impressed with the damage I could put out. The problem wasn't so much the damage as the, "OMG mobs are getting closer, what do I do?!?" See, Hunters and Warlocks have pets to help keep them at range, Mages can use their Frost spells, Priests can slow (Shadow at least) mobs down, Boomkins can root and have really quick spell casts: what does Elemental do to keep things away? I know we have Earthbind, but 10 yards? Even talented that's only a 2 yard increase. Frostshock? I suppose, but the target has to be closer then your max range to begin with.
Is there any strategy to keep a more comfortable distance between you and your target that maybe I didn't think of, or as Elemental, with more decent gear than I have, do you just have to suck it up and be a melee range caster from time to time (when your double Lightning Bolts don't WTFPWN the enemy :P)?
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You let them beat on you. >.> The difference between Lock, Hunter, and Shaman is that shaman can heal themselves after. Also, getting hit with water shield on means you get a good portion of your mana back, so getting hit isn't necessarily a terrible thing.
Hopefully you have either the 41/0/20 (raiding) or 40/0/21 (pvp) spec. Both of these specs increase your lightning bolt crit chance by 10% (13% with raiding spec using totem) and which will not show in your tooltips. So even if you only have 11% crit in your tooltips, that means you have a 21% chance to crit with LB. In theory you want around 35-40% crit chance, 1k+ spell damage, and enough hit to be hit capped depending on race/spec. The raiding spec will bring you to 9% spell hit from talents and another 3% from the totem leaving only 4% to be found in gear (3% if you are Draenei). I'm Draenei, so I only need 38 spell hit for raid encounters which is amazing compared to my mage.
Hopefully you have either the 41/0/20 (raiding) or 40/0/21 (pvp) spec. Both of these specs increase your lightning bolt crit chance by 10% (13% with raiding spec using totem) and which will not show in your tooltips. So even if you only have 11% crit in your tooltips, that means you have a 21% chance to crit with LB. In theory you want around 35-40% crit chance, 1k+ spell damage, and enough hit to be hit capped depending on race/spec. The raiding spec will bring you to 9% spell hit from talents and another 3% from the totem leaving only 4% to be found in gear (3% if you are Draenei). I'm Draenei, so I only need 38 spell hit for raid encounters which is amazing compared to my mage.
I don't recall exactly where I put my talent points, lol. I was just messing around for the most part, but I enjoyed it, so I think I'll keep my eye out for some more Elemental drops: see if I can put together a respectable starting set, hehe. I know it wasn't either of the talent spreads you pointed out though, so I'll guess that the build I made needed some work anyway :D
Good to know though that I really wasn't just being stupid by having things get to me. It was really hard though, getting beat down to half health, worse if there were multiple mobs. Those BEs with the Imp pets on Quel'Danas: yea, they hurt me pretty bad >.>
Good to know though that I really wasn't just being stupid by having things get to me. It was really hard though, getting beat down to half health, worse if there were multiple mobs. Those BEs with the Imp pets on Quel'Danas: yea, they hurt me pretty bad >.>
As resto Shaman I do my dailys in quite similar than ele would. Our strong point vs locks, mages and priests is that we have a shield and several thousands of armor. Let the mob hit you, they don't hit that hard and like it was said you get some nice mana when they do.
You can try some different rotations to get more spells before mob gets to you: Max range, Lb -> Cl -> frostshock -> Lb.
Or: Shock range, Lb -> Fs -> Lb -> Cl
I don't know what is the best solution but I think that when u get little more power those mobs are down before they hit you.
After Fs it's quite easy to strafe enough to get 1 more Lb and it should finish the mob.
You can try some different rotations to get more spells before mob gets to you: Max range, Lb -> Cl -> frostshock -> Lb.
Or: Shock range, Lb -> Fs -> Lb -> Cl
I don't know what is the best solution but I think that when u get little more power those mobs are down before they hit you.
After Fs it's quite easy to strafe enough to get 1 more Lb and it should finish the mob.
Maulgak wrote:
Good to know though that I really wasn't just being stupid by having things get to me. It was really hard though, getting beat down to half health, worse if there were multiple mobs. Those BEs with the Imp pets on Quel'Danas: yea, they hurt me pretty bad >.>
For mobs that have pets, start off with chain lightning. The first jump should be enough to kill off the imp, or near dead to be finished off with an earth shock.
For multiple mobs... I can only advise you to start learning how to pull mobs without getting adds. Or take their hits as others have mentioned.
Yes, for those imp pets answer is Chain lightning. Depending on your dmg you need to test how much you need to kill the imp. Should you target imp or caster and let it jump to another. Now that I think of it, I can't remember did I throw a Lb to caster followed by Cl to imp and then ES caster to stop immolate. I think that the first hit from Cl was enough to kill imp for me... Again, this is from resto shamans point of view with less than 700 spell dmg. So according to this I think normal ele shammy will kill that imp easily with 2nd jump from Cl.
Well most likely a resto shaman will have more spell damage than an elemental shaman (especially if elemental if an offspec). Even now that my gear is roughly equivalent between my two specs... my elemental spell damage doesn't beat my resto spell damage by terribly much.
I've always targeted the imp first to make sure it dies because I'd hate to waste a shock on an imp at 5-10% health when I could melee it to death in 2 swings.
Basically, you put points in resto to get to the 5% lightning crit (20 points) or go an extra point for Nature's swiftness (21 points). There is also 3% spell hit (and 3% melee hit) which isn't really important unless you raid. Totem of Wrath is a "raid" spec talent for a lot of people because it's 3% crit and 3% spell hit. In pvp, totems are often destroyed so it is an unreliable 3% crit (and 3% hit isn't needed). Not only that, but it wastes a global cooldown AND you can't use other fire totems like searing totem near a caster for spell pushback or Fire Nova for big aoe burst damage.
I've always targeted the imp first to make sure it dies because I'd hate to waste a shock on an imp at 5-10% health when I could melee it to death in 2 swings.
Basically, you put points in resto to get to the 5% lightning crit (20 points) or go an extra point for Nature's swiftness (21 points). There is also 3% spell hit (and 3% melee hit) which isn't really important unless you raid. Totem of Wrath is a "raid" spec talent for a lot of people because it's 3% crit and 3% spell hit. In pvp, totems are often destroyed so it is an unreliable 3% crit (and 3% hit isn't needed). Not only that, but it wastes a global cooldown AND you can't use other fire totems like searing totem near a caster for spell pushback or Fire Nova for big aoe burst damage.
Along with what others have said above, being a resto shammy, I usually target the imp first to CL. This guarantees the imp to be dead by the time I focus on the caster. Usually, I target the imp, start casting cl, and while I'm doing that, I target the caster. This way, I can immediately start casting a LB at the caster.
Haven't had any problems yet with it.
Haven't had any problems yet with it.
Jiade wrote:
Well most likely a resto shaman will have more spell damage than an elemental shaman (especially if elemental if an offspec). Even now that my gear is roughly equivalent between my two specs... my elemental spell damage doesn't beat my resto spell damage by terribly much.
Yes, resto shamans have more spell dmg than elem shamans due to the 36th point talent <Nature's Blessing> in the resto tree.
But as the theorycrafters put it, the spell dmg co-effecients are not improved. Elem shamans have <Concussion> and <Elemental Fury>. The numbers on the char sheet are only a reference to your stats, not your dps output.
Generally, if I don't 2 shot the mobs with a double crit:
3x LB, Frost shock (I back up a bit to get some distance during the GCD) LB/CL to finish off. They should almost certainly be dead after 4 x LBs and a frost shock (without critting, which is rare these days)
With the summoner mobs, I lay down a grounding totem, CL on the imp, 2xLB caster, earth shock, dead without being touched.
Situationally, I also do the searing totem, frost shock kite. This is really only for thoses elementals that are immune to nature though....
3x LB, Frost shock (I back up a bit to get some distance during the GCD) LB/CL to finish off. They should almost certainly be dead after 4 x LBs and a frost shock (without critting, which is rare these days)
With the summoner mobs, I lay down a grounding totem, CL on the imp, 2xLB caster, earth shock, dead without being touched.
Situationally, I also do the searing totem, frost shock kite. This is really only for thoses elementals that are immune to nature though....
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So with that gear he ain't gonna 2shot those sso daily mobs. But the only reasonable solution is to get some new gear asap to get that ele feel even somehow good. I wonder why some people (not saying that OP did this) respecc when they have no gear to back up the new specc. Would be easier to grind some gear first and then try new specc. Let it be honor/instance gear but with some heal/enha gear that crit,crit,crit,crit ele specc just can't feel the same.
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I'm an Enhancement Shaman, have always been, but decided I wanted to see what Elemental spec was like. I've gathered some Elemental pieces of gear, but no where NEAR what is needed to be competitive in an instance run: Only 429 spell damage with 11.19% crit, lol. Pathetic, I know. Most of what I have is actually from my Resto kit.
So with that gear he ain't gonna 2shot those sso daily mobs. But the only reasonable solution is to get some new gear asap to get that ele feel even somehow good. I wonder why some people (not saying that OP did this) respecc when they have no gear to back up the new specc. Would be easier to grind some gear first and then try new specc. Let it be honor/instance gear but with some heal/enha gear that crit,crit,crit,crit ele specc just can't feel the same.
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Is good that you try put elemental. of cause with some decent gear SSO daily is just a walk thru the park. You can search the forum a bit I have post some of the Heroic Instance where you can gather your elemental gear easier and faster (if it drop). Others Elemental gear only drop in the higher content of raid.
Well... shaman is with shield and mail so we can take a few hit without problem, we won't die as easy as clothier :) hunter have a blind spot where in melee they can't use ranged attack... but we don't have that problem :)
Just something i do normally for SSO daily. I put flametongue on my weapon and with water shield on most of the time. Mob in SSO daily normall range around 5k++ to 6k++ Hit point, so i always start with LB,LB,LB and normally mob left about 1k+ if no crit from the 3 LB then I just ES/FS them down. If crit they die in 2 shot while trying to get close :) if all thing fail and the mob still have 1-2% of health..i just melee them down with Flametongue weapon (dave a bit of mana for shock). For multiple target, i always start with LB to pull then EM and CL with crit then stoneclaw and fire nova or magma totem.
For summoner, I always move in range then down grinding totem before i start, then CL the summoner and the bounce kill the imp, then LB while letting the 1st fire ball to shot at the grounding and ES the next cast if she is not death by LB yet.
just some sharing :)
Well... shaman is with shield and mail so we can take a few hit without problem, we won't die as easy as clothier :) hunter have a blind spot where in melee they can't use ranged attack... but we don't have that problem :)
Just something i do normally for SSO daily. I put flametongue on my weapon and with water shield on most of the time. Mob in SSO daily normall range around 5k++ to 6k++ Hit point, so i always start with LB,LB,LB and normally mob left about 1k+ if no crit from the 3 LB then I just ES/FS them down. If crit they die in 2 shot while trying to get close :) if all thing fail and the mob still have 1-2% of health..i just melee them down with Flametongue weapon (dave a bit of mana for shock). For multiple target, i always start with LB to pull then EM and CL with crit then stoneclaw and fire nova or magma totem.
For summoner, I always move in range then down grinding totem before i start, then CL the summoner and the bounce kill the imp, then LB while letting the 1st fire ball to shot at the grounding and ES the next cast if she is not death by LB yet.
just some sharing :)
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