*New Skill* Mirror Image (80) - Creates 3 copies of the caster nearby, which cast spells and attack the mage's enemies. Lasts 30 sec. 10% of base mana, Instant cast, 3 min cooldown.
So, what do you guys think?
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So it's in then? Do the copies deal damage? How do they move? It seems a PvP skill, but it could be very flawed it not worked out well.
I don't think anyone knows yet
If they do damage, it's an amazing ability all around(even if the damage done is reduced to 10% or so of the mages attacks). If not, it's still a very nice PvP spell.
So, I visited the Oboards, and I bring more info.
So yes, they do damage, and a fair amount of it. However, if you're a non-frost mage, this is less useful for PvP, since if you cast anything other than frostbolt or fireblast, your foe will find you. Still, popping it seems to lead to 9 attacks averaging 800 damage each per image, or 21600 damage over 30s once every 3 minutes.
Hawt.
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Taken from the Beta forums, kudos to all the mages doing the nitty gritty work over there, I'm jealous :)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679908040&sid=2000
Mirror Image (80) - Creates 3 copies of the caster nearby, which cast spells and attack the mage's enemies. Lasts 30 sec. 10% of base mana, Instant cast, 3 min cooldown.
Video Link:
http://www.veoh.com/static/flash/players/veohplayer.swf?permalinkId=v15841382T6nqSHbG
My initial impressions and concerns are:
-Spell hit: will it scale? There are clearly a few "Misses" in there, so how often can we expect our MI's to miss.
-Stationary casting: Since the tester simply stands and nukes, will our MI's remain stationary if we decide to move?
-Image swapping: Interrupts your current cast from what I see. At a timestamp of 0:26 in the video, the testing mage is swapped with an MI, and an "Interrupted" appears in his combat messages above him. This is not a desirable effect.
-FoF procs: Since MI's cast Frostbolts, will we get FoF procs?
-It appears there is roughly 3-4 secs of downtime where the MI's move around doing nothing. From the video, I saw 1 image do 9 Frostbolts and possibly 1 Fireblast before despawning (there was a flame around one of the images hands, possibly a Fireblast). Also, untalented, 3 sec Frostbolts by the looks of it.
-10% of base mana should be around a 350ish ballpark at lvl 80, pretty damn nice if it is that cheap.
All in all, from basically very little hands on with the spell, it has some promise, but needs some more testing.
Your thoughts?
Edit: Timestamp in video was wrong. Corrected.
Edit: Some more shtuff.
Taken from the Beta forums, kudos to all the mages doing the nitty gritty work over there, I'm jealous :)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9679908040&sid=2000
Mirror Image (80) - Creates 3 copies of the caster nearby, which cast spells and attack the mage's enemies. Lasts 30 sec. 10% of base mana, Instant cast, 3 min cooldown.
Video Link:
http://www.veoh.com/static/flash/players/veohplayer.swf?permalinkId=v15841382T6nqSHbG
My initial impressions and concerns are:
-Spell hit: will it scale? There are clearly a few "Misses" in there, so how often can we expect our MI's to miss.
-Stationary casting: Since the tester simply stands and nukes, will our MI's remain stationary if we decide to move?
-Image swapping: Interrupts your current cast from what I see. At a timestamp of 0:26 in the video, the testing mage is swapped with an MI, and an "Interrupted" appears in his combat messages above him. This is not a desirable effect.
-FoF procs: Since MI's cast Frostbolts, will we get FoF procs?
-It appears there is roughly 3-4 secs of downtime where the MI's move around doing nothing. From the video, I saw 1 image do 9 Frostbolts and possibly 1 Fireblast before despawning (there was a flame around one of the images hands, possibly a Fireblast). Also, untalented, 3 sec Frostbolts by the looks of it.
-10% of base mana should be around a 350ish ballpark at lvl 80, pretty damn nice if it is that cheap.
All in all, from basically very little hands on with the spell, it has some promise, but needs some more testing.
Your thoughts?
Edit: Timestamp in video was wrong. Corrected.
Edit: Some more shtuff.
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The images are doing roughly 700-900 dmg each per cast on avg, topping around 1.1k, though that may be his ignite ticking off. Look to his right, you can see a message saying "Pet (DMG)" and a Frostbolt icon next to it. They are doing damage, so this is a plus for PvE.
Also, there are a few Fireblasts tossed in there.
Also, there are a few Fireblasts tossed in there.
So yes, they do damage, and a fair amount of it. However, if you're a non-frost mage, this is less useful for PvP, since if you cast anything other than frostbolt or fireblast, your foe will find you. Still, popping it seems to lead to 9 attacks averaging 800 damage each per image, or 21600 damage over 30s once every 3 minutes.
Hawt.
so 720 dps in total or per mage?
Anobix the Wise wrote:
so 720 dps in total or per mage?
Looks like total.
I didn't see a pet bar, i wonder how you control the what casts are done or does it just cast whatever the last spell you cast was? It would really be awsome if you could get 3 extra frost nova's. Multiple shatter crits in a row.
Wow is all I have to say. This sounds like it will be killer in PvP. The only questions that pop into my mind is will these little buggers stand still while I move and if they take damage will I?
I could see myself beating a lot of faces in with this spell. Or have a lot of people beating their own faces in on their keyboard.
If anyone gets more info could you please post it here...it would be greatly appreciated.
I could see myself beating a lot of faces in with this spell. Or have a lot of people beating their own faces in on their keyboard.
If anyone gets more info could you please post it here...it would be greatly appreciated.
I want to pop Mirror Image and then Invisibility to escape in one-sided BG fights...
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Anobix the Wise wrote:
so 720 dps in total or per mage?
Looks like total.
So assuming you pop it at all cooldowns it comes out to be around a 120dps increase, not too shabby for 10% base mana as it stands.
The images don't do full damage, do they?
I mean... Mirror image -> PoM -> pyroblast anyone?
Bye bye 2v2 balance =P
I mean... Mirror image -> PoM -> pyroblast anyone?
Bye bye 2v2 balance =P
Mozared wrote:
The images don't do full damage, do they?
I mean... Mirror image -> PoM -> pyroblast anyone?
Bye bye 2v2 balance =P
I mean... Mirror image -> PoM -> pyroblast anyone?
Bye bye 2v2 balance =P
they do damage, as we just discussed. They do about 720dps while they are up (all together). I don't know if they share your talents though as what I read is they cast with untalented fireball/frostbolt speeds.
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I think this is quite exciting.
I wonder if we can team it up with our water elemental?
That would make for some pretty insane dps over 30 seconds.
Although I would like to see control over them... I hope blizzard implements this.
I wonder if we can team it up with our water elemental?
That would make for some pretty insane dps over 30 seconds.
Although I would like to see control over them... I hope blizzard implements this.
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they do damage, as we just discussed. They do about 720dps while they are up (all together). I don't know if they share your talents though as what I read is they cast with untalented fireball/frostbolt speeds.
I was following the discussion, it's just the numbers that seem a bit awry to me. I realize most of you here are raiders (as one of you has said before), but I'm thinking PvP with this spell in mind. Even 10% of the normal damage dealt could be massively overpowered in a 2v2 arena. I'm sure blizz won't put the spell in the game if it's overpowered, but still.
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However, if you're a non-frost mage, this is less useful for PvP, since if you cast anything other than frostbolt or fireblast, your foe will find you.
Why so, am I missing something? If I'd cast for example a firebolt, wouldn't my mirror images just do the same? What makes frostbolt and fireblast different from all other possible spells with this in mind?
Edit: Wait, I just watched the video... Does this mean that the images will ónly cast the spell you cast first after summoning them? That sound a bit... ***********
Edited, Sep 8th 2008 5:11pm by Mozared
This looks like a really cool spell, but I have a feeling to level the playing field they will have very low HP and be stationary. Like one AE will take all 3 of them out. Still it would be really cool thing to have along with my elemental.
This sounds very cool, esp in PvP, esp if the copies are identical to your opponent (ie, they don't know which to target to kill the player). And it's a sign that Blizz is doing some creative thinking, giving mages arcane abilities that are unique to the class and aren't replicated in hybrids like boomkins, elemental shammies or, dare I say, locks.
Anobix the Wise wrote:
*New Skill* Mirror Image (80) - Creates 3 copies of the caster nearby, which cast spells and attack the mage's enemies. Lasts 30 sec. 10% of base mana, Instant cast, 3 min cooldown.
So, what do you guys think?
So, what do you guys think?
I think the estate of E. Gary Gygax (or whoever currently owns the coyright to AD&D 1st Edition)may have a claim for royalties if Blizz doesn't change the name. Been a long time since I played AD&D, but this is pretty much what a 2nd level magic user spell of the same name does--except in the AD&D version, the images do not do actual damage, and the number of images was variable, I think.
Then again, the estate may take it as a tribute to the guy that many see as the father of the fantasy rpg genere, and let it go.
As a concept, I love it, and see obvious usefulness in PVP, and some possible use in PVE as well. I am concerned about the mechanics...really not liking the thought of having my spell interrupted because I'm "trading places" with one of the images. Also wondering if creating exact duplicates of PCs will cause lag? And the duplicates have to be exact, otherwise the spell is less effective in PVP.
Edited, Sep 9th 2008 12:49am by Kahbueme
Sounds like the numbers may be a little higher than previously reported.
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/09/08/skill-mastery-mirror-image/
Looks like we're going to need some more serious testing.
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/09/08/skill-mastery-mirror-image/
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The copies I was summoning would alternate between casting three simultaneous Fire Blasts and three simultaneous Frostbolts. These spells do more-or-less normal damage. The Fire Blasts were hitting for around 2,000 damage each, and the Frostbolts were hitting for slightly less, around 1,500.
Looks like we're going to need some more serious testing.
Gnome mage + mirror image + voodoo gnomes = fun (I imagine)
I assume like WE they will benefit from any debuff on the target, any idea if they also gain buffs cast after they are summoned (i.e. heroism)?
It would also be handy to know how much health they have, both for pvp and aoe encounters and also whether they can be dispelled (do they work like the WE or is it a buff on the mage) or crowd controlled (if they all stand together they are vulnerable to fear and daze effects).
I assume like WE they will benefit from any debuff on the target, any idea if they also gain buffs cast after they are summoned (i.e. heroism)?
It would also be handy to know how much health they have, both for pvp and aoe encounters and also whether they can be dispelled (do they work like the WE or is it a buff on the mage) or crowd controlled (if they all stand together they are vulnerable to fear and daze effects).
I'd just like to /facepalm myself for being so incredibly stupid. Thank you for not flaming me, though I kind of deserved it. I just clearly read the spell and finally completely understand how it works (atm).
I'll shut up now.
I'll shut up now.
Kahbueme wrote:
I think the estate of E. Gary Gygax (or whoever currently owns the coyright to AD&D 1st Edition)may have a claim for royalties if Blizz doesn't change the name.
Because World of Warcraft is the first game to use the names "Fireball" and "Fire Blast" for their moves, that's the reason why they're safe there.
It's entirely feasible for people to come up with something like "Mirror Image" completely on their own. It's not something so specific and unique that it HAD to have been copied.
Raglu wrote:
Because World of Warcraft is the first game to use the names "Fireball" and "Fire Blast" for their moves, that's the reason why they're safe there.
It's entirely feasible for people to come up with something like "Mirror Image" completely on their own. It's not something so specific and unique that it HAD to have been copied.
That bit was an attempt at humor. Apparently not a very good attempt.
Kahbueme wrote:
I think the estate of E. Gary Gygax (or whoever currently owns the coyright to AD&D 1st Edition)may have a claim for royalties if Blizz doesn't change the name.
Is "Mirror Image" copyrighted ?
Mozared wrote:
I'd just like to /facepalm myself for being so incredibly stupid. Thank you for not flaming me, though I kind of deserved it. I just clearly read the spell and finally completely understand how it works (atm).
I'll shut up now.
I'll shut up now.
No worries Moz ... this isn't the "other" board (class=4) ... you're amongst friends here ;-)
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