I few questions from an interested non-rogue. Most of them have to do with Mut, since I pretty much know combat from BC raiding.
I've heard mixed things about Muti rotations in PvE. I've heard numerous people talk about 5s/5r, but considering how "close" 5s/5r/5e are right now, isn't a 5r/5e (or something similar) possible with CttC? My guess would be that they just can't read CttC, but wanted to make sure.
Standard build: I'm not sure on how important a few talents are. I assume 7 in Sub and 10 in Combat, but beyond that I'm not 100% sure.
This is what I came up with. I boosted poisons a lot, not sure if that's me showing how ignorant I am or not. I'd assume dual Instant with Deadly Brew, Vile, Infectious and Imp Poisons to try and turn poison into a significant chunk of damage. Problem areas that I'm not sure about:
- Vigor. I'm kind of doubtful that it's worth it, but at first glance it just seems so good. Probably because I'm not used to having an energy bar.
- Blood Splatter/Imp Evisc. Being that finishers don't make up an incredibly large amount of total damage output (well, as BC Combat >.>) I'm reluctant to put points into these, but again, not knowledgeable enough to know for sure. One of the poison-improving talents seems like the first place to take from in order to get one/both of these.
- Turn the Tables. 6% crit on Mut only doesn't seem that outstanding to me, but again it feels like I have to be missing something.
- ImpSnD. Assuming a 5r/5e rotation, I would *think* 21 seconds is enough to keep SnD from dropping, but don't know well enough.
On Eviscerate versus Rupture versus Envenom:
I threw together some Naxx10 gear from WoWhead. Using gear alone, it's at 760-ish agility, 1520 raw AP, and 370 crit rating. I'm not including the base stats that a level 80 rogue has, which I assume will even out with people still having a few blues in their gear (hopefully that's not a huge mistake). Throw in buffs, and we get roughly:
1120 agility (760 base + 178 SoE + 30 scroll + 52 MotW, Kings)
35.5% crit (agility + 8% rating + 1% SoE + 5% LotP/Rampage + 8% talents)
3880 AP (agility + base + 196 SoE + 688 Might/BS, Unleashed Rage)
Using that, and then mutiplying in a BM hunter and EW:
Eviscerate: 6275dmg pre-armor (7240 with Glyph, 7533 talented, 8690 glyph/talented)
Rupture: 3255 base, 4230 Mangle (5550 mangle + glyph, 5500 mangle + talent, 7215 mangle + glyph + talent)
Envenom: 3900 base, 4410 Eclipse/CoE, 5645 Eclipse + Stormstrike (Can anyone tell me if Envenom is counted as a "spell" for Winter's Chill?)
Fully glyphed and talented, Eviscerate needs a boss to have 16% or less damage reduction to beat Rupture; untalented but Glyphed is anything below about 25%. Envenom increasing the likelihood of Instant Poison going off for 6 seconds shouldn't be discounted, but the loss of a stack of Deadly might hurt it a lot, but I don't have the rogue knowledge to figure out if Envenom is viable.
As in BC, Rupture scales better with raw AP than Eviscerate (30% of AP instead of Eviscerate's 25%, up to almost 40% Glyph'ed).
Now to throw a weird spec out there: What about a 53/5/13 or something similar, boosting Rupture by a further 30% and giving some armor penetration in the process? I highly doubt it would make up for the loss of 5% hit from Combat, but thought is was interesting anywho. (Side note: Sub rogues getting an extra 30% to Rupture will be awesome for chewing through warriors).
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I assume slow/fast for a Mutilate build, considering Focused Attacks and that mut rogues will be using Instant/Instant (I assume, at least). That a correct assumption? I would assume more poison procs and more energy would outweigh the damage boost of Mut.
Finally, a weird question: would the increased Instant Poison procs of using fast/fast (say, 1.5/1.4 or similar) make up for Mutilate damage loss? I wouldn't think so, but I like asking weird questions. (Apology in advance for just creating 10-15 threads in the next 2 years where Theo has to yell at people for using fast/fast as Mut).
... my few short questions turned into walloftext D:
EDIT: 2000th post? :O
Edited, Sep 15th 2008 3:41pm by lsfreak