Official Beta Changes and Discussion [updated 9/19/08]Follow

Ah, took it to mean only finishers at 5:30 in the morning. XD So we'd be looking at everything it included prior, as well as Envenom, Evis, Ambush, Riposte, and Deadly Throw I guess? If thats the case, wonder just how well Evis is being pushed up as a finisher for both mut and combat.

Christ, why couldn't they just say "offensive abilities," that's really ambiguous...

What an awful change for humans. I expected a perception nerf, but not this.

Racial info added to main post.

YAY PERCEPTION NERF!

It's cool brah, I'll accept my place as OP racial with dignity.

- Perception: changed to a passive, now grants one character level of passive stealth detection

I was going to post something happy about it but I might as well quote Theo;



At the moment I'm kind of wondering about that Troll racial. Sure, they're buffing Trolls up as a more worthy choice for a PvP race. But then again... How will this work out with Fleet Footed? The talent itself states the effect "does not stack with other movement increasing effects". So does that mean Voodoo Shuffle wÃll stack with it or not? Does that mean Troll rogues with Fleet Footed get -60% duration on movement slowing effects? That would probably put Trolls very close after Undead as the PvP race to go on the horde side. It sounds a tad overpowered though... Nerf incoming?

On the other hand; Orc warriors can effectively spec to scale off 30% of a stun's duration.


Edit: Ah, I misread... Fleet Footed gives -30% duration and Voodoo Shuffle does -15%. Still, a 45% is nothing to ignore... That means you're halving the time on hamstring, crippling poison, mage chill effects (frost armor?!), and whatnot more. Generally you try not to get slowed ofcourse, but on the other hand... Even Undead generally try not to get feared.

Edit2: I just noticed the buff to berserking... How will this impact raiding? A free 10% speed buff to go with S&D is always welcome I'd say?

Edited, Sep 7th 2008 3:12pm by Mozared

Edited, Sep 7th 2008 3:14pm by Mozared

Wow... Human racials are mostly garbage now (my priest is human, now he gets only +5% spirit -_-)... At least we still have Mace and Sword expertise.
I wonder what the failure chance is gonna be on our racial Feign Death.

Will of the Forsaken doesn't grant immunity anymore either, I don't feel as bad about Perception...
Tauren's +5% health bonus is going to only affect base health =D

The Gift of the Naaru change is nice, my Holydin is a Draeni.

The human feign will be quite useful in a raid environment.

Don't have to use Vanish anymore, or you can more freely use Vanish.

Edit: forgot to read the part about having threat restored.

Meh, still kinda useful, like Fade.

Edited, Sep 7th 2008 3:08pm by Theophany

Lol, well hopefully it will be useful in solo PvE like the real Feign Death...

Orc
- Hardiness now reduces the duration of stun effects by 15% *CRY*

The perception nerf is a little too much imo. Yes, it's OP but +1 level of stealth detection ??? It's barely better than kick in the nuts. We'll see if it remains this nerfed tho.

only lists changes.

I imagine many human tanks now have a weapon with which to kill annoying people in their group if they dont shut up. They can always get back up to pull it off after the fools dead.

Or you could use it to kill off other DPSers to ensure no one is near you in terms of DPS.

I feel totally cheated by the perception nerf. It makes me wonder if the devs are stupid... how on earth could they totally nerf an ability that is certainly a table turner against all stealther (perception) and just slightly nerf another one that is a table turner (maybe no so radically but still) against all classes with some sort of CC, i.e. most classes (WOTF).

How I feel is sumarized in how i have renamed the second line of my sig. I'm happy that the War open beta started yesterday :)

nostra

Edited, Sep 8th 2008 5:36pm by nostraaa