Yeah, I never thought I'd be able to say it, but its happening.
http://shadowpriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=15932
And all it took was 2 years of constant nagging, thats progress!
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Sweet! I may go back to shadow spec.
I honestly never even knew there was a problem with it.. lol i always thought it was a powerfull damage spell for really cheap :) shows how much i actually know.
and wow after reading that im amazed.. im so friking pumped. i mean i never once felt underpowered in wow as a shadow priest due to utility and very good damage.. sometimes 1st sometimes 3rd but always up top.
man we are gonna be like mages... BUT GIVE MANA BACK AND LIFE!!!
dare i say we will be like.............. gods :)
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 1:08am by Freefire
and wow after reading that im amazed.. im so friking pumped. i mean i never once felt underpowered in wow as a shadow priest due to utility and very good damage.. sometimes 1st sometimes 3rd but always up top.
man we are gonna be like mages... BUT GIVE MANA BACK AND LIFE!!!
dare i say we will be like.............. gods :)
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 1:08am by Freefire
Freefire wrote:
I honestly never even knew there was a problem with it.. lol i always thought it was a powerfull damage spell for really cheap :) shows how much i actually know.
and wow after reading that im amazed.. im so friking pumped. i mean i never once felt underpowered in wow as a shadow priest due to utility and very good damage.. sometimes 1st sometimes 3rd but always up top.
man we are gonna be like mages... BUT GIVE MANA BACK AND LIFE!!!
dare i say we will be like.............. gods :)
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 1:08am by Freefire
and wow after reading that im amazed.. im so friking pumped. i mean i never once felt underpowered in wow as a shadow priest due to utility and very good damage.. sometimes 1st sometimes 3rd but always up top.
man we are gonna be like mages... BUT GIVE MANA BACK AND LIFE!!!
dare i say we will be like.............. gods :)
Edited, Sep 4th 2008 1:08am by Freefire
What content are you in?
How does a DoT crit..?
Do DoT crits get doubly hit by resilience?
Do DoT crits get doubly hit by resilience?
I would imagine that they will change the resillience effects on the spell so that it behaves in the same way as arcane missiles does.
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What content are you in?
Oh i havent touched anything wotlk... last time i played my guild and i were still grinding away black temple before an attempt on sunwell.. :( i wanna be 80.. but im more pvp oriented now though too.. so i will not see much pve action in wotlk... not at first anyway.
Edited, Sep 6th 2008 4:08am by Freefire
Freefire wrote:
and wow after reading that im amazed.. im so friking pumped. i mean i never once felt underpowered in wow as a shadow priest due to utility and very good damage.. sometimes 1st sometimes 3rd but always up top.
Brutal honesty: if you were top 3 in BT and Hyjal on tank-and-spank fights, your other DPS sucked. Maybe it was gear, maybe it was they didn't know how to max their character and you did, maybe something else. But they sucked. By Sunwell, if anyone outdamage a shadow priest they need to be informed they have 2 weeks to get their sh*t together or they're out of the guild, or at least out a raid spot. (That said, we can rock on fights like Supremus and Illidan that are a bit more than tank-and-spank).
I love the change. Not entirely sure it's enough, but scaling for 96.4% of spell power with Flay, and having it crit, will be awesome. Really messed with my trying to figure out which items I'm going for at 80 though :p
Edited, Sep 7th 2008 2:01am by lsfreak
well my average dps as a shadow priest is in the area of 1400-1600 25 man raid buffed of course. so ya in the higher end content im below some other folks.. but like i said we still do great damage for what we bring to the party. ie: mana and health. i guess i could provide screenshots of being first or third on a couple a bt fights.. but really i dont see why i should have to.
try the facemelter mod.. look into mods like quartz casting bar.. and you really can become an effiecent dps'er .. not a always on top type.. but hey i never had a problem getting into any raid as a shadow priest.. hell i never even had to sign up.
but i too am very excited about the new changes.. i just never had any issues where i felt mind flay was underpowered is all..
Edited, Sep 7th 2008 2:09pm by Freefire
try the facemelter mod.. look into mods like quartz casting bar.. and you really can become an effiecent dps'er .. not a always on top type.. but hey i never had a problem getting into any raid as a shadow priest.. hell i never even had to sign up.
but i too am very excited about the new changes.. i just never had any issues where i felt mind flay was underpowered is all..
Edited, Sep 7th 2008 2:09pm by Freefire
1400-1600 dps without Sunwell gear? I high, highly doubt that. Without Sunwell gear it's not even possible to get 1600dps on Brut, let alone any fight in T6. As I said, there are fights we can top - Illidan and Supremus are two good examples - but tank-and-spanks aren't one of them.
Also, keep in mind VT was cut in more than half, and that other classes got a solid 20-25% boost in damage. This change finally brings us a lot closer to where we should be.
Also, keep in mind VT was cut in more than half, and that other classes got a solid 20-25% boost in damage. This change finally brings us a lot closer to where we should be.
My apologies if i sounded argumentative. My original point was only that i personally have always been happy with shadow priests dps. And im even more so happy with the versatility we bring. So yes technically i am personally amazed that they did anything to further buff us in pve content because as i have stated i feel we are very capable as is. as for the dps a pre sunwell shadow priest is capable of. I would have to ask you if you have ever tried a full set of zul aman haste gear out(along with some badge and other small haste things). but please i do not want to get caught up in a back and fourth over what dps is really possible. im sure other priests will be along to clarify what they personally have found. but i am kinda happy because if you say that it is not possible for a shadow priest to do that much damage..and you yourself are a skilled shadow priest.. well... i musta been doing something right and that justifies all the effort i have put into getting better. i have never gotten the opportunity to compare dps with other shadow priests before. im usually the only one.
However im super pumped that we are getting buffs aswell. Just like you yourself i cannot wait to see the buffs for myself.
This along with (from what i hear) some cool new way to manage threat will be very nice. all and all i think its going to be a great expac for the priest. However as i stated i will be spending most my time in pvp this time around and from the way things are looking i will focus on disc/holy
Edited, Sep 8th 2008 3:23am by Freefire
However im super pumped that we are getting buffs aswell. Just like you yourself i cannot wait to see the buffs for myself.
This along with (from what i hear) some cool new way to manage threat will be very nice. all and all i think its going to be a great expac for the priest. However as i stated i will be spending most my time in pvp this time around and from the way things are looking i will focus on disc/holy
Edited, Sep 8th 2008 3:23am by Freefire
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My apologies if i sounded argumentative. My original point was only that i personally have always been happy with shadow priests dps. And im even more so happy with the versatility we bring. So yes technically i am personally amazed that they did anything to further buff us in pve content because as i have stated i feel we are very capable as is. as for the dps a pre sunwell shadow priest is capable of. I would have to ask you if you have ever tried a full set of zul aman haste gear out(along with some badge and other small haste things). but please i do not want to get caught up in a back and fourth over what dps is really possible. im sure other priests will be along to clarify what they personally have found. but i am kinda happy because if you say that it is not possible for a shadow priest to do that much damage..and you yourself are a skilled shadow priest.. well... i musta been doing something right and that justifies all the effort i have put into getting better. i have never gotten the opportunity to compare dps with other shadow priests before. im usually the only one.
However im super pumped that we are getting buffs aswell. Just like you yourself i cannot wait to see the buffs for myself.
This along with (from what i hear) some cool new way to manage threat will be very nice. all and all i think its going to be a great expac for the priest. However as i stated i will be spending most my time in pvp this time around and from the way things are looking i will focus on disc/holy
However im super pumped that we are getting buffs aswell. Just like you yourself i cannot wait to see the buffs for myself.
This along with (from what i hear) some cool new way to manage threat will be very nice. all and all i think its going to be a great expac for the priest. However as i stated i will be spending most my time in pvp this time around and from the way things are looking i will focus on disc/holy
The issue that most people take with shadow is not the overall dps capacity, its the scaling of damage with gear. The dps of shadowpriests was initially high in BC (around 1000 or so when entering ssc) and scaled very poorly up to T6 content. Wheras other damage classes close to double their damage output.
With the changes to the mana regeneration mechanic associated with VT/Judgement/Surv Hunter comes the opportunity for blizzard to fix the broken scaling of the class. This was previously impossible as it would have totally overpowered VT at the high end.
Ah I see now. Thanks for the explanation as im currently clueless as to most of the stuff going on in wotlk.
I had no clue they changed vt for the greater good. or even that they changed it at all.
I had no clue they changed vt for the greater good. or even that they changed it at all.
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