Disc. != DPS in PvEFollow

Disagree, statement flaws on specifically these points;

1) Being disc specced doesn't mean you have never been specced something else.
1B) Regardless if you were, it still doesn't mean you cannot have DPS knowledge. I'm not a pro on shadow rotations but I do know my deal of it, ever though I've never played shadow.

2) I as a disc priest myself occasionaly fill a DPS role in instances. When there's somebody who'se specced primarily for healing, I usually play an all-round supportive style where I buff, use PoM and PW:S, and spend the rest of my time DPS'ing trough holy fire, SW:P, SW:D and mind blast.

3) I'm sure people could come up with disc-DPS specs. Sure, they'd be far from as effective as full shadow, but if somebody wants to do minor healing and likes some DPS to go hand in hand with his disc spec, why not go for example 41/0/20?

But that doesn't necissarily make it a bad idea either.




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I'm saying that sentence is nonsense. You can be disc specced and comment about a shadow rotation. For all we know you might've played spriest for 3 years?




I'm not sure to be honest. I'm fairly positive I could do the supportive DPS/healing role in a heroic. Maybe not heroic MgT, I wouldn't know, never tried that, but everything else would probably work. While I agree with you that it's generally more helpful to just get a full DPS player for the slot, ruling out the posibility of a 'supportive' role just because you think it won't work is wrong. Granted, you probably dó need some gear to play your worth and this isn't going to work for 'real' content (post-Karazhan, or in this case even Karazhan).




Whille it seems likely, even that is discussable. If you're running a normal version of the Shadow Labs and your gear is superior to the rest of the party... There's always an exception and that's why you shouldn't say 'never' or 'always' (even though you only insinuated one of the words).

For min/maxing your initial comment is about 50% right... It's just that people tend to forget min/maxing isn't a necissity until (post-)Karazhan.

To that I'll have to agree *grins*

That's raid-wise though. And even in heroic I could find myself agreeing with you, but if you'd refuse me as a DPS/support/off-healer in a regular 5-man I'd be annoyed and probably find you elitist and boring. Alright, MgT probably being an exception.

I played as holy/disc DPS in Mechanar back when BT/HJ were not even patched in. I would assume disc/holy is not much different. Renew helps, PoM helps, shield helps, PoH helps. And I would do it again if the occasion comes.

The only problem will be mana, but then, for shadow you have almost the same problem.

Hell no. Almost par dmg? The tank was out-damaging him. We couldn't even get past the first boss because they couldn't DPS the orbs fast enough. I kept everyone up through 3 of his "I am God" temper tantrums before saying ***** it. He was at half health.

In my experience, "LF1M DPS" does not say we'll take anyone. It implies we will take anyone who is spec'ed to do damage.

It was his comment in the LFG list that he was "DPS". DPS as a PvE priest is shadow.

i actually have some screenshots somewhere of me as a disc/holy priest in all s2 and some s4 being number 1 in heals and in damage on an arathi basin. it was a solid match too. i regularly come in around top healing and around top dps as a disc holy priest.. its not uncommon.

Also i did do alota dps as disc/holy for fun when my guild did heroics and kara and such.. while i was below the great dps players.. they and myself were amazed at how much damage you actually can do as a disc holy priest. however i would not reccomend them for any serious raiding. i just did it for fun.

i will look through my discs for my screenies and will load em up for ya.. im sure eventually some s4 disc/holy priest will come here and post with like 10 screenies of being number 1 in healing and number 1 in dps in some instance and bg lol

any competent DPS ready for a full MgT run should be able to pump out a minimum 500dps. so 2 DPS and a tank should be able to do 1200dps on that boss and take down the boss in less than 2mins since its a relative tank n spank. a 3rd DPS(your crappy disc player) should add an additional 200dps minimum. if the boss could not go down in less than 3 orbs that means your whole team was undergeared, your tank couldn't hold aggro, your healer couldn't keep up with the aoe dmg(which causes your DPS to use dmg time as survival time).

wowwiki:

Yes, but that was exactly my point. Disc priests asked to go 'DPS' should imo go 'supportive' and not pure DPS; if your disc priest is throwing out renew (and an occasional shield or flash heal), it'll take your healer a lot longer to run OOM. Power infusion on a caster class could also increase global DPS by quite a bit, just not the priest's personal DPS.

I wish I knew! I am actually excited to go through a day of PuGing and not find that:
1. My prot pally out-DPSed someone on an AoE-light heroic.
2. My hunter's pet out DPS-ed someone other than the tank or healer.
3. My ret paladin in blues out DPS-ed a ret paladin in S2 by over 150%.
4. My ret paladin did more CC than a hunter.

Those all happened last week. I need to stop running PuGs.

If you have a Disc Priest on Gorgonnash, FIND ME! I need you! These people depress me, and destroy my remaining hopes for humanity.

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 11:51am by Ehcks

Nor does it equal healer. Disc is a PvP spec. Please don't waste people's time putting DPS in your comments when you are clearly Disc spec'ed.

I leveled my priest from lvl 1-65 as holy, yeah very boring, I hit 65 and decided to dip into the disc tree and discovered soloing was so much easier and I was still good at healing. At 70 I respeced to 41,20,0 this speced worked great for pve and pvp. I was able to heal raids and dps and do arenas. There maybe little chance that a disc priest is going to top dps but if you are in a raid such as Kara you are great cc and if you need an off healer there you go. I never spammed as a dps when I was looking for 5 man groups for regular and heroic instances, plus I carried 3 sets of gear, pvp, dps and heals. In my healing gear I had 1900+ heals, pre 3.0 patch. Disc priests, imo, can pretty much play any role and seriously cut down on the gold spent for respecs because you are needed in different areas of the game.

Except now Disc is a valid PvE tank healing spec.

Disc has the efficiency and power to be an strong single target healer.

Disc is still a lame PvE DPS spec. Can do damage more than holy but not a respectable amount to justify bringing a disc DPS.

Maybe on a non-progression raid where the number of healers needed may change it could do more DPS than holy but still that is an edge case and not the norm.

I see disc as more of a support role. The DPS isn't impressive, but its there. If the healer is in trouble or gets killed, you have the ability to step up as main healer to prevent a wipe. I just ran kara as a dual role healer/DPS. And we steamrolled right through it. There were often times I had to start throwing out group heals but for the most part I'd say I was somewhere in the middle as far as DPS goes. Anyone who knocks discipline spec obviously has never had a good one on their side when it mattered.