Need to finish the debate about + hitFollow

On my ret pally, when i look at the character module and look under melee hit, it reads that i have 95 rating, which on mouseover, approximates into 6.02%

Now, I have 3 points into percision to give me an additional 3% added to hit. Does that mean that my hit is 6%+3%=9% or is it 3.02% + 3% = 6% (what i see under the hit rating)?


I ask this because, countless times when doing dailies or even just attacking a mob, I will see a dodge/parried swing.

I know there is a natural 1% miss, but I dont know if the game logs that 1% as a dodge/parry regardless, I'm not hitting as much as i thought I would. Any advice? I dont want to gem any more for +hit if i am in fact capped.

There's a natural 1% to miss? Is it non-specials only or what? I can't remember the last time I missed a special on my rogue, on anything..

This only applies to casters. Melee will never miss when hit capped. Look at any parses from high end raiding rogues, if they are hit capped(363 for them) they will have 0 misses in the parse. That doesn't mean they hit every time, unless they are also expertise capped and attacking from behind(6.5% expertise i think, too lazy to look it up on EJs atm). Hit capped + exp capped + attacking from behind = never missing.



While this is true for most classes, rogues can actually stack enough pure avoidance(dodge+parry) to never be hit. Requires a couple of specific buffs, but it has been done.


To address the OP:
You are currently hit capped for raid bosses with precision. You are hit capped for everything else without precision. However, when soloing you will almost always be attacking an enemy from the front and all mobs can dodge and most can parry as well(casters can't dodge or parry while casting). So unless you are expertise capped you will see a fair amount of dodges/parries when soloing. The + exp trinket from heroic mgt is great for reducing the number of dodges/parries you will see(2.5% reduction when attacking from behind-just dodges/5% reduction when attacking from the front - 2.5% dodge + 2.5% parry).



Edited, Sep 2nd 2008 2:51pm by mahlerite

Where do you people keep getting this? For melee attacks there is NO 1% chance to miss that you can't remove. If you are hit capped you will never miss an auto attack or a melee special attack(crusader strike in this case). Your judgements/exorcism(any other spells that aren't aoe) are subject to spell hit rating and spells DO HAVE a 1% chance to miss(it'll show as a 'resist' in your combat log) even when hit capped.

Stack 104 exp rating while keeping your current +hit and get back to me. Download recount if you don't already have it to see for yourself how many misses/dodges/parries you incur.

From wowwiki on Hit Rating Cap:



Is the wiki here wrong? Or am I reading it wrong? Sounds like there is indeed no 1% chance to miss regardless of Hit Rating.

I am absolutely 100% positive that against a CPU MOB (rather than another player) if you are hit capped, Miss is ENTIRELY removed from the combat table. I don't know PvP mechanics as well so I cant speak for that. There is no 1% base chance to miss a melee auto-attack (or special attack using the melee combat table) against CPU mobs.

That said, it is accurate to say that hit rating only reduces your chance of MISSING, it does not directly increase your chance of HITTING (although it DOES indirectly increase your chance of hitting, since White Hit would replace the reduced Miss %). It has no impact on Dodge, Parry, Block, etc. You can eliminate Block and Parry by standing behind the mob, you can eliminate Dodge by stacking Expertise. Players may not be able to Dodge attacks from behind, but apparently mobs can since it happens.

Never MISSING an attack is not the same as never being Dodged, Blocked, or Parried. Even though there is only a 1 roll combat system, it can be helpful to think of all of those outcomes as a hit... that did reduced/no damage.

I know you're talking about dailies, but for bosses -- if you have enough hit rating + talents to reduce your chance to miss by 9%, you won't miss a melee auto attack or special attack. 28% for Dual Wield auto attacks. You'll still be blocked a little over 6% of the time, blah blah. You'll still glance 25% of the time.

Also -- the impossibility (or rather improbability) of a char that simply cannot be hit (by a CPU controlled mob again... PvP rules are different) is not due to a base-mechanic -- it is conceivably possible (if you can find a way to itemize and buff for it) to become 100% not hittable and remove all outcomes that result in you taking damage from the combat table.

I never really believed that hit-capping meant 100% hits until I was in fact hit capped (with some expertise on the side) and looked over my Recount and the WWS of a Void Reaver kill. Attacking from behind while hit-capped produced 0 misses. /glee