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Right now I am currently specced as prot, and have enjoyed being a tank running some instances. I also have been a healer in some cases, when we couldn't find a healer. I enjoyed that as well. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I should stay prot, or switch to holy? I enjoy both styles of play, but which is more favorable? Both in the near future and after WoTLK drops.
It's easier to heal as prot than to tank as holy. I've tried both..
10-70 as prot, then went back and forth to holy. Now I'm back prot again, but working on any sort of a plausible ret set.
10-70 as prot, then went back and forth to holy. Now I'm back prot again, but working on any sort of a plausible ret set.
Really it's up to what you enjoy doing. Tanks, healers are always wanted..
bsgnitro wrote:
Really it's up to what you enjoy doing.
This.
However, if you want to get really cynical about things, when Wrath comes out, there will be a new tank-capable class, and everyone and his brother will roll one. Until the new wears off, it will probably easier to group as holy.
On the other hand, with the changes to mechanics and itemization, make sure you try both tanking as prot and healing as holy after Wrath, because the playstyles will be different - it might change which you like better.
But.. If you like tanking and build a good friends list of people that know you are the best damn tank there is you'll still get invites to tank. Most of the DK tanks are gonna suck. Think of all the moron DPS'rs running around that now are going to think they can tank to when they can't even DPS properly. After a few pugs with some of those peeps I doubt a good tank is gonna have any problems getting invites.
bsgnitro wrote:
Most of the DK tanks are gonna suck.
At least starting out, I would have to agree. That and most people probably aren't going to roll DKs to tank with anyway. Granted there are some who will rolling a DK to be a tank, but chances are the majority of people will not. At least, you don't hear many people talking about, "ZOMG I can't wait to get my leet DK tank!" Most of what you hear is about their potential for DPS.
I'd imagine tanks will still be sought after, even with DKs running around (I mean, look at how many Warriors there are that refuse to tank =/).
Well as far as wotlk is concerened i think(in group and raid play) you would enjoy prot more than holy. Holy really isn't changing much, in fact playstyle will be nearly identical to what it is now. Prot however looks like it will be picking up a bit of functionality. With the changes in store for blessing of sanctuary your not going to have the mana issues that were very prevalent before. A few new abilities have also been added, that will making off tanking a possibility as well.
I don't want to undermine holy at all though, that spec has a few changes that are going to be nice as well. They will be dropping holy shock to a 6 second cooldown and increasing the range to 40 yards, which will finally help give us some mobility as healers. Doesn't hurt solo play either. Sacred shield will also be providing us a new tool to play with.
I don't want to undermine holy at all though, that spec has a few changes that are going to be nice as well. They will be dropping holy shock to a 6 second cooldown and increasing the range to 40 yards, which will finally help give us some mobility as healers. Doesn't hurt solo play either. Sacred shield will also be providing us a new tool to play with.
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Well as far as wotlk is concerened i think(in group and raid play) you would enjoy prot more than holy. Holy really isn't changing much, in fact playstyle will be nearly identical to what it is now. Prot however looks like it will be picking up a bit of functionality
To be honest I disagree with this almost entirely. Prot is actually staying mostly the same, the only significant (but they are very significant) changes are the addition of two new active threat abilities, Hammer/Shield of the Righteous. Now this will make Prot a whole boatload easier to tank with and gg, but it doesnt change things that much really.
Holy on the other hand is getting a 6sec Holy Shock cooldown, and Holy Shock crits that proc instant Holy Lights...that is an enormous change to our healing mechanics. Holy Shock itself has been made more mana-efficient too. Now we can actually instaheal people if/when we need to instead of it feeling like an afterthought, and a reasonably proportion of the time will be getting instant nukeheals for clutch moments. The normal healing process may still consist of FoL maintenance spam, but the change to burst is very, very welcome.
Not sure about Beacon of Light though, frankly I think it sucks balls.
Blizzard has been improving our ability to nuke heal for a while now, and its not really anything new. The lights grace talent and the improved amount holy shock heals for that was patched in are evidence of that. They even changed the ornamented gladiator set to give it a bit more oomph. In wotlk they really just improved on that idea bit more, by the talents you stated not to mention the new lay on hands. I think what most Holy paladins were hoping for or well at least me, was the ability to group heal a bit better. I can heal the MT with the best of 'em, but what few healing spells I have can't hold a candle to the hots and aoe heals prevalent to other healing classes. It looks like blizzard is trying to help us with that with beacon of light but until beta reaches raiding content, we wont be able to tell just how much of an improvement it will be.
I guess it has recently been discovered that the new beacon has an interesting effect. It has a chance to crit the healing that the target of beacon receives, and that double crits are possible.
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beaconcritij6.jpg
This may shape up to be an interesting talent. I'm expecting the nerf bat soon.
Edited, Sep 1st 2008 3:40am by Lyroc
I guess it has recently been discovered that the new beacon has an interesting effect. It has a chance to crit the healing that the target of beacon receives, and that double crits are possible.
http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beaconcritij6.jpg
This may shape up to be an interesting talent. I'm expecting the nerf bat soon.
Edited, Sep 1st 2008 3:40am by Lyroc
Maulgak wrote:
At least starting out, I would have to agree. That and most people probably aren't going to roll DKs to tank with anyway. Granted there are some who will rolling a DK to be a tank, but chances are the majority of people will not. At least, you don't hear many people talking about, "ZOMG I can't wait to get my leet DK tank!" Most of what you hear is about their potential for DPS.
I'd imagine tanks will still be sought after, even with DKs running around (I mean, look at how many Warriors there are that refuse to tank =/).
I'd imagine tanks will still be sought after, even with DKs running around (I mean, look at how many Warriors there are that refuse to tank =/).
I'm keeping track of the Frost talents and I plan to roll a DK intended solely for tanking. This isn't because I want to be different. I genuinely like the idea of tanking with two weapons.
I'm a freak, though. It takes a special type of person to want to tank long-term, which is why our guild is always so short on main tanks. I'm one of only two paladin tanks in a guild with over ninety level 70s, about two-thirds of which raid actively.
Welcome to the minority group z ;) I too am thinking of tanking with my DK. I'm currently leveling a Druid (67 right now) and I started with the intent of making him my healer. Well, I just love tanking as a bear so much I'm now torn, lol, even though I already have a tank (my Paly). I was leveling a Human Warrior with the intent of making him a tank, though he stalled at 39 >.> and I have a Tauren Warrior alt on a different server I'm rolling to be, you guessed it, a tank.
Yes, there are those of us out there who will tank with our DK, I was just pointing out that I very, very rarely have heard anyone say that they will be looking forward to DK tanking. Probably 90% of what I have heard is people being excited for DPSing as a DK. We'll see if that changes as the expansion gets closer and closer to completion.
EDIT: typo. Why can't I catch these BEFORE I hit post? ...
Edited, Sep 1st 2008 7:21am by Maulgak
Yes, there are those of us out there who will tank with our DK, I was just pointing out that I very, very rarely have heard anyone say that they will be looking forward to DK tanking. Probably 90% of what I have heard is people being excited for DPSing as a DK. We'll see if that changes as the expansion gets closer and closer to completion.
EDIT: typo. Why can't I catch these BEFORE I hit post? ...
Edited, Sep 1st 2008 7:21am by Maulgak
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I appreciate all of the good info that everyone contributed. It looks as though I will be keeping my tank pally rather than rolling into a holy pally. It is very true that a "good" tank is few and far between. It wasn't that long ago that I hit outlands with my pally tank. A few of the instances I have ran, I have recieved nothing but compliments about my tanking ability. Being only a lvl 65 atm, I have yet to do the raids, but I even tanked for a lvl 68 priest in Netherstorm (when I was lvl 64). I did such a good job for the priest, they even said I would pwn their kids' lvl 70 rogue (I really don't think I could). I just hope that I will still be a commodity when the xpac drops. Thanks again.
Simple answer to your question:
Since you seem to like prot better than healing, but still like to heal, stay specced prot for the most part, but look to build up a healing set. (DONT neglect your prot set tho! Getting a proper prot set for a Paladin at 70 takes some effort!)
Once you get your Prot set to where you can at least MT Kara, then get that healing set together and respec for when you get called on to heal instead of tanking. If you just need to off-heal, stay specced prot. If you need to main-heal for something, re-spec to healing for that, and then spec back to prot when you are done! Respecs are not expensive and are pretty much the norm for Paladins these days.
Since you seem to like prot better than healing, but still like to heal, stay specced prot for the most part, but look to build up a healing set. (DONT neglect your prot set tho! Getting a proper prot set for a Paladin at 70 takes some effort!)
Once you get your Prot set to where you can at least MT Kara, then get that healing set together and respec for when you get called on to heal instead of tanking. If you just need to off-heal, stay specced prot. If you need to main-heal for something, re-spec to healing for that, and then spec back to prot when you are done! Respecs are not expensive and are pretty much the norm for Paladins these days.
jeromesimina wrote:
Simple answer to your question:
Since you seem to like prot better than healing, but still like to heal, stay specced prot for the most part, but look to build up a healing set. (DONT neglect your prot set tho! Getting a proper prot set for a Paladin at 70 takes some effort!)
Once you get your Prot set to where you can at least MT Kara, then get that healing set together and respec for when you get called on to heal instead of tanking. If you just need to off-heal, stay specced prot. If you need to main-heal for something, re-spec to healing for that, and then spec back to prot when you are done! Respecs are not expensive and are pretty much the norm for Paladins these days.
Since you seem to like prot better than healing, but still like to heal, stay specced prot for the most part, but look to build up a healing set. (DONT neglect your prot set tho! Getting a proper prot set for a Paladin at 70 takes some effort!)
Once you get your Prot set to where you can at least MT Kara, then get that healing set together and respec for when you get called on to heal instead of tanking. If you just need to off-heal, stay specced prot. If you need to main-heal for something, re-spec to healing for that, and then spec back to prot when you are done! Respecs are not expensive and are pretty much the norm for Paladins these days.
It's actually a bit easier for a prot pally to build a healing set than for a holy paladin to build a tank set. While you run instances for your tanking gear, let your groupmates know that you're building a healing set and that you would like to roll on healing gear that drops (that the party's healer doesn't need of course!). If your healer is a priest/druid/shammy there's going to be plate healing gear going to waste from time to time.
Just try to keep a rough account of what's in your bank so you know off the top of your head which dungeon/Kara drops are an upgrade and I imagine most groups will readily let you have what you need.
I'm still very bitter about seeing Jadeskull Breastplate get sharded my first time in Mech, grrrrr.... Thankfully I promptly forgot the ******'s name to avoid harboring an extremely illogical grudge.
HoyadinFTW wrote:
Just try to keep a rough account of what's in your bank so you know off the top of your head which dungeon/Kara drops are an upgrade and I imagine most groups will readily let you have what you need.
I have an addon I use for this purpose (as well as others) called BankItems. You can open it up anywhere and view what you have in your bank to compare to what just dropped. That way you won't have to carry it with you when you don't need it, or just remember every piece of gear you have.
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