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The thread it came from.

Blue posts on second and third pages.

What are they doing with ferals these days?

Judging from his examples you would have energy equal to how ever many ticks happened plus your current energy up to 40.

So with Furor you would have 10 energy if you shifted at 0 (1 tick) or more up to a max of 40 if you had more when you shifted. No Furor means no energy, I think.



edit: link to new blue about the 2p4 set bonus



Edited, Aug 28th 2008 9:23pm by Horsemouth

no. if you have 0 energy when you shift out, youll have 0 energy when you shift in (slightly more actually, due to latency and the new energy regen formula, but itll definetely be less than 10 unless youve got really bad latency). this is assuming you have furor.

if youre at 100 energy and you power shift, youll be at 40 energy, just like it is now on live.

what this does is prevent ferals from blowing wads of mana and using furor to gain energy at a rate faster than the normal energy regen. however, if you shift out at 0 energy and spend at least 4 seconds doing stuff out of cat form, when you shift back into cat, youll have the full 40 energy that furor would grant you. anything earlier than that and youll have progressively lower energy to start with (30 at 3 seconds, 20 at 2, 10 at 1 etc.).

They say they would have to balance around it, if powershifting stays the way it is. Currently I have to massively abuse powershifting to even remotely keep up with other dps'ers in BT. I don't see how that's so bad. Without powershifting I wouldn't even make top 10 in the dps :(

I hope the new feral talents will make up for the loss somehow. The main reason for taking a feral off tank is his abilty to do solid dps when not tanking

Oh, okay. I thought it reset the energy counter to 0 upon shifting out, meaning you'd only get 40 energy if you shifted in after a couple of ticks.

Now I'm less worried.

Wrong place for this, go off to the o-boards please.

But hey, Mazra you've been around since patch - 1.0, is there anything that Blizzard can throw at you you can't deal with?

I've been here since..... 1.5 I think, so anything is an improvement

Well said.

My reading seems to indicate that you don't gain energy you simply don't lose any due to the new energy mechanics. Better than his last description of the talent for sure but I still for see a major shuffling of druid talents as how they relate to ferals. As right now all druid specs are locked into roughly 13-16 points in resto regardless of spec, mainly to get OoC but also the nice benefits of Master Shapeshifter.

I think he was being sarcastic.



The way they've dealt the cards, we're actually pretty much back to base. Restoration is still the way to go.

I'd like to know what class you play, idiggory. Only classes I don't have issues with are undergeared classes. Anything that is spec'd for healing or is wearing better gear than me is just a waste of time. I don't even bother with Holy Paladins, Restoration Druids/Shamans or Discipline Priests. Their HPS is way bigger than my DPS and I have limited ways to interrupt casting and zero ways to dispel HoTs.

I rip undergeared players apart, though. A Warlock with no resilience? BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. Ravage, Mangle, Shred crit combo and down goes the clothy. Same with Priests and Mages. Warriors that aren't all that well equipped are somewhat easy targets as well. Lacerate bleeds them dry. Same goes for Retribution/Protection Paladins. My Bear crits are bigger than theirs and I have more armor and health.

Rogues are a *****, though. Their poisons negate my ILotP heals and Frenzied Regeneration, plus they usually couple Wound Poison with Crippling Poison which means I'm actually moving slower when I run than when I walk. I can't shift out to remove the poisons, because due to server/client synch issues, the Rogue will stun me just as I leave Bear/Cat form and before I can enter Bear form again. Yeah, that's awesome when you shift from one form directly to another and a well-placed stun traps you in caster form. You lose. Try again in 30 seconds. Working as intended. GFY.

I'm considering respeccing to Restoration, you know, to complete the stereotype. I won't be able to kill anything, but I'll only die once in a blue moon. Only downside is that I'd have to get completely new gear and I'm Alliance. One goddam BG mark at a time...

Nah, Feral Druids don't need a nerf in PvP. Not unless Rogues and healing specs get some as well. When you see people complaining about how Druids are just so imba and OP, they were either fighting an overgeared Druid (read above) or fighting a Restoration Druid with a Warrior friend. Well, durr.

Nine out of ten times, when people complain about Druids as a whole, what they're really complaining about is the completely ridiculous imbalance of well-geared Restoration Druids. And I agree with them. That doesn't mean that Feral Druids are in that category as well.

Edit: The way Furor has been changed, it's pretty damn awesome, yes. It means that if I'm at 100 energy and switch to Bear form and then back to Cat form, I'll still have 100 energy, ready to go. Right?

Edited, Aug 30th 2008 3:17pm by Mazra

But how often does a Resto class actually kill you? Yeah, the fight may never end, but I haven't seen a Druid die in anything 1v1 in a loooooong time.

I primarily play a Mage, and Druids just rip through me (kinda like Hunters do).

It will be interesting to see if the change stays. Burst someone in cat then switch to bear to soak incoming damage while energy regens, then back to kitty for more burst. Might work nicely, but if we get the hoped for (and needed) buff to make our raid DPS viable, then this change might be a bit much for PvP. I look forward to following this closely :)

Some early Blizz posts actually stated that they never intended for powershifting to be a valid method of increasing DPS. It was a player "exploit" so to speak.

The new expansion provided them with an easy method to remove what they felt was a bug that needed to be fixed.

The new energy mechanics coupled with how Furor is now supposed to work is a "fix" not a "nerf", in Blizz speak.

Our DPS should now scale enough so that the need to convert mana into energy shouldn't be required. At least that is my understanding.

Of course now we have to fight with rogues for drops that they are used to getting 100% priority for in 90% of situations.

As it stands now if I am tanking I will have great reservations about grouping with Rogues till everyone adjusts to the new itemization. Which should only take a year or so...