I'm kinda new to the healing game. I was a shadow priest to 62, but I'm now holy. I've only healed 3 instances. Last night I pugged a group that had two warlocks. I've never had much to do with a warlock, and I was watching their health bars go up and down. I'd keep putting renew up, and every now and then I'd throw in a flash heal. (Our tank was well geared and I had plenty of mana.)
After a while I got a message from one of them letting me know they were fine with a renew and they didn't need any other healing.
As I understand it, warlocks convert health to mana, then drain life from mobs to get their health back up, but it freaks me out as a healer to see bars drop to 50% or lower.
I'd love to know a warlocks perspective about what kind of healing you want / need in an instance.
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Yup, that warlock was right: Renew is awesome. Any HoTs are really. Generally speaking we don't Life Tap (our health to mana conversion) down past 50% and should always warn the healer not to worry. We don't drain as much life in instances as we do soloing, but it's often just enough to top us off with the Renew ticking.
Any warlock that yells for healing because they're Life Tapping too much should be told to shut their yapper; and sadly, you will run into these in the occasional pug.
Also let me note? I ::heart:: my healers.
Any warlock that yells for healing because they're Life Tapping too much should be told to shut their yapper; and sadly, you will run into these in the occasional pug.
Also let me note? I ::heart:: my healers.
Renew, Lifebloom, Rejuv, Flash of Light, Lesser Healing Wave, Gift of the Naaru... all of these are perfect for healing a warlock, even when we're not draining life. Your 400-some odd mana turns into about 2400 mana for a Warlock (more or less - depending on their spell damage), and heals through multiple Life Taps.
An aware warlock will know when to Drain Life and when not to (that is, seeing how busy the healer is with the tank and other tasks), rather than expect a heal.
Though, warlocks that Life Tap out of combat and then don't sit to eat/drink? They're douches, and feel free to ignore their demands for out of combat heals. They have bandages, and they can use them. (Yes, I play a warlock and a healer, and it annoys the crap out of me.)
An aware warlock will know when to Drain Life and when not to (that is, seeing how busy the healer is with the tank and other tasks), rather than expect a heal.
Though, warlocks that Life Tap out of combat and then don't sit to eat/drink? They're douches, and feel free to ignore their demands for out of combat heals. They have bandages, and they can use them. (Yes, I play a warlock and a healer, and it annoys the crap out of me.)
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I dont expect a heal but its very nice to see that someone cares.Hehe,seriously,I always whisper healer not to worry about me unless they see mob pounding my ***,but it's always nice to get free hp without loosing dps.
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I dont expect a heal but its very nice to see that someone cares.Hehe,seriously,I always whisper healer not to worry about me unless they see mob pounding my ***,but it's always nice to get free hp without loosing dps.
On trash - don't heal me
On bosses - HoT me
Out of combat - forget about me
Having said all that, no matter how much I tell the healers in my Guild to NOT heal me, they do anyway. So I AM getting into the habit of LT-ing to as low as 30% health!! Safe in the knowledge, any moment, one of em will notice and heal me. Bless em.
Give me a shadow priest though. That'll do nicely. But I never, ever get put in the same group as em. How stupid is that?!
On bosses - HoT me
Out of combat - forget about me
Having said all that, no matter how much I tell the healers in my Guild to NOT heal me, they do anyway. So I AM getting into the habit of LT-ing to as low as 30% health!! Safe in the knowledge, any moment, one of em will notice and heal me. Bless em.
Give me a shadow priest though. That'll do nicely. But I never, ever get put in the same group as em. How stupid is that?!
shoarmakip wrote:
<3 I always whisper healer not to worry about me unless they see mob pounding my ***,but it's always nice to get free hp without loosing dps.
The trouble is that watching the fights is so damn distracting - as healers, we're tasked to watching health bars so we're unlikely to know whether you're LT'ing or getting pounded.
Coming from a priest; Warlocks are generally very polite on this I've found. I realize they life tap a lot, and generally tell me I don't need to heal them when they do. In the end however, I'll be healing them anyway; as a disc priest my mana regeneration is so sick that in pretty much all 5-mans I can easily afford to keep the lock topped off. It's good synergy; I'm giving the lock some of my mana (which I can easily) spare to keep the DPS going (usually speeding up the dungeon).
On the other hand, I've seen 'locks life tapping themselves to 40%, run to the oom healer and say "heal plz". Throw them a simple and clear "No".
On the other hand, I've seen 'locks life tapping themselves to 40%, run to the oom healer and say "heal plz". Throw them a simple and clear "No".
My lock has bandages, potions, cannibalize, drain life, and soul leech. I enjoy renew, rejuv, and lifebloom, and will love you and protect you with my life if you drop a light well on me. But I make sure to be able to heal myself if you're really busy.
It turns out though that shadow priests are his best friend. I do more damage, which is great. They also do more damage, which then heals me and restores mana, which is awesome.
It turns out though that shadow priests are his best friend. I do more damage, which is great. They also do more damage, which then heals me and restores mana, which is awesome.
I've always healed warlocks, both in and out of combat. It's a refelx. I see a health bar go low, I heal it. No biggie.
That being said, a healer should try using some kind of add-on that lets you know if the person has aggro. I use Grid. If the warlock has aggro, then their health bar highlights in red. So I know they are getting pounded, and immediately cast a heal. It lets me know the difference between life tapping and taking damage.
To the OP - I would recommend you try this on your healer. You don't need "Grid" specifically, but something that lets you know who has aggro.
That being said, a healer should try using some kind of add-on that lets you know if the person has aggro. I use Grid. If the warlock has aggro, then their health bar highlights in red. So I know they are getting pounded, and immediately cast a heal. It lets me know the difference between life tapping and taking damage.
To the OP - I would recommend you try this on your healer. You don't need "Grid" specifically, but something that lets you know who has aggro.
Grid is definitely win. I use it on all my characters (for various reasons - makes it nice to have unit frames when I need to buff Detect Invis on a raid, or finding my soulstone target). Granted, I set mine up differently, top right dot is aggro. :P It's also nice because it shows incoming heals, and not just from you. Not sure if this is similar to Healbot in that it requires other people to be using Grid for this to function, though.
Edit - also, if you have the ability to, watch for other HoTs on the warlock. More often than not I find myself yelling at raid healers to stop rolling lifeblooms.
Edited, Aug 28th 2008 9:32am by wingsofscion
Edit - also, if you have the ability to, watch for other HoTs on the warlock. More often than not I find myself yelling at raid healers to stop rolling lifeblooms.
Edited, Aug 28th 2008 9:32am by wingsofscion
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shoarmakip wrote:
<3 I always whisper healer not to worry about me unless they see mob pounding my ***,but it's always nice to get free hp without loosing dps.
The trouble is that watching the fights is so damn distracting - as healers, we're tasked to watching health bars so we're unlikely to know whether you're LT'ing or getting pounded.
<3 I always whisper healer not to worry about me unless they see mob pounding my ***,but it's always nice to get free hp without loosing dps.
The trouble is that watching the fights is so damn distracting - as healers, we're tasked to watching health bars so we're unlikely to know whether you're LT'ing or getting pounded.
Yes of course ,*if* they see that a mob is hitting on me try to give some healing. If I die its my fault not watching aggro/positioning right etc ..
Never played a healer at 70 but i imagine its hard to focus at many things at given moment.
edit : failed to quote doh .. :(
Edited, Aug 28th 2008 1:20pm by shoarmakip
Typically, in a 25-man raid I'll expect to get a heal when I Life Tap. 10-Man's, maybe. In 5-mans though, I never expect a heal, especially not in combat. Alot of times, especially if I have mage food, after combat, I'll Life Tap a couple times, just so that my health and mana will fill up at the same time after eating a biscuit. I'll try to do this in raids too, but typically as soon as I Life Tap I'm getting heals, if not HoTs as soon as combat ends before I've even Life Tapped.
Recently I've been leveling a Resto Shammy, and I will try to heal the lock if I can, but they are normally low on my priority list. After combat, if everyone is hurt, I'll throw the Chain Heals at the lock so he can Life Tap.
Recently I've been leveling a Resto Shammy, and I will try to heal the lock if I can, but they are normally low on my priority list. After combat, if everyone is hurt, I'll throw the Chain Heals at the lock so he can Life Tap.
As a longtime healer I am totally with the people that say they heal by reflex. I just can't help it. I see the HP go down, and I heal.
Leodis wrote:
shoarmakip wrote:
<3 I always whisper healer not to worry about me unless they see mob pounding my ***,but it's always nice to get free hp without loosing dps.
The trouble is that watching the fights is so damn distracting - as healers, we're tasked to watching health bars so we're unlikely to know whether you're LT'ing or getting pounded.
I don't think it'll really affect you if I'm getting smacked. I'll get 2 shotted (in a Heroic anyways).
Healing me while I Life Tap is heaven, I can DPS forever with heals but I do fine without the healing. Out of combat I like to give it a balance, usually I can life tap and equalize my hp/mana. Unless it's Full HP/OOM, then I'll usually Life Tap a bit more and increase my mana since it's easier to get HP then it is mana (in terms of mana is always dropping while HP is increasing/staying the same).
I always used to say "Don't worry about healing me, keep the tank up" but I think I got used to the heals, the healers would do it regardless and say "Well your hp was down. I heal you." Like the poster above me said they heal by reflex.
I don't normally venture to other class forums but since I started a lock I saw this thread and had a good laugh. I'm a resto druid and my good friend plays a warlock. I have good memories of grinding with him from 1-70 as he discovered lifetap and hellfire. Once I got lifebloom he about had a heart attack when just two blooms could refill his mana.
But I also enjoy healing warlocks because my blooms tic for outrageous amounts. Generally someone who has a lifebloom who isn't in my party gets a 3 stack at about 780, while someone in my part is about 850-900ish. Now if a warlock is in my party with fel armor on, my blooms will tic for 1100. My buddy said with a 3 stack of lifebloom he can't even lifetap fast enough to drop his health below 90%. Plus I can 10k crit healing touch on him, which rocks.
But as for healing warlocks, I generally keep an eye out for them since I mainly just end up main healing the tank w/ another priest I have time to throw out some other lifeblooms. Seeing as my friend averages 1400+ dps in a raid on his warlock I've come to the conclusion that keeping the warlocks full up on mana is important. On average we raid with 3-5 warlocks so it make for some pretty sweet heals.
But I also enjoy healing warlocks because my blooms tic for outrageous amounts. Generally someone who has a lifebloom who isn't in my party gets a 3 stack at about 780, while someone in my part is about 850-900ish. Now if a warlock is in my party with fel armor on, my blooms will tic for 1100. My buddy said with a 3 stack of lifebloom he can't even lifetap fast enough to drop his health below 90%. Plus I can 10k crit healing touch on him, which rocks.
But as for healing warlocks, I generally keep an eye out for them since I mainly just end up main healing the tank w/ another priest I have time to throw out some other lifeblooms. Seeing as my friend averages 1400+ dps in a raid on his warlock I've come to the conclusion that keeping the warlocks full up on mana is important. On average we raid with 3-5 warlocks so it make for some pretty sweet heals.
I haven't done much grouping on my lock yet, but I nearly always heal them when I'm on my druid. Generally they're polite and ask ahead of time if it's okay to tap, or tell me not to worry about it. I tell them to tap all they want, so long as they don't compete with the tank for heals. They'll lose. But by and large, no lock will tap themselves to the danger point unless they know for sure that the healer's fine with it.
My mp5 on my druid is over 250 while casting if I'm running with my pally tank buddy. It takes a bad pull for me to even notice I'm down on mana. The run will go a lot faster if I toss out hots after pulls rather than waiting for people to drink/eat.
My mp5 on my druid is over 250 while casting if I'm running with my pally tank buddy. It takes a bad pull for me to even notice I'm down on mana. The run will go a lot faster if I toss out hots after pulls rather than waiting for people to drink/eat.
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