New Talents in Upcoming Patch - What's Your (70) Build?Follow

So, its in the general forum and on the front page. We are going to get the new spells and talents in a content patch before the actual expansion comes out. So nows the time to figure out how you are going to take advantage of those new trees. So what is your planned build? Here are some I came up with:

Combat Fists - Chose fists since that is what I am currently using, but you can sub swords for your own uses. Seems to take good advantage of the newer talents, but I kinda used the imp throw as a filler, which may be better in Nerves or LR.

Mutilate - I love mutilate and I want to see it get a nice buff in WotLK. I don't know if this will do it though, you are going to have to forgo 10 points in Combat to get to DW Spec in order to take advantage of the new Assassination talents.

So what do you guys plan on doing at 70 until we get the xpan to go on to 80?

All of the builds thus far in this thread are complete and utter fail for anything other than soloing (which, honestly, you could do as 0/0/0).

I'll be using 18/0/43 in PvP, if they can figure out how to fix WA. If they can't, I'll put those points in HAT.

(From the rogue compendium)



Well then, following your judgement, name me some "other" (non cookie-cutter) builds that work? I don't think I've seen you approve of a single non cookie-cutter build so far.

Well, that's kinda why I started this thread. We are going to have a few weeks (maybe a month +) to play around with the new trees with only 61 points, so what is a way to incorporate the new talents into the current builds. What is worth dropping in the support tree to allow points in the new main? The first build I posted was the combat spec from your Compendium, I just took points out of Assassination to fill in for the new talents that seemed good for raiding.

Edit: L2Quote

Edited, Aug 27th 2008 1:55pm by AtrophyGFour

Murder Spree is a burst damage talent, not a raiding talent.

Prey on the Weak is not better than Relentless Strikes or Lethality.

You also chose Stay of Execution over Unfair Advantage, a retarded mistake.

Please learn the basic rogue mechanics.

I thought this could be a useful talent for trash pulls such as the AoE on the stairs in Kara. I am not sure how many of these a person would see in higher content, but I know that my damage takes a dive compared to the locks and mages in the group.

Also, does MS ignore crowd controlled targets? I would hate to set it off and then be the guy who bursts out of no where on the sheeps, traps, or saps. I know they tweeked pallies recently so their shield throw doesn't hit CCed targets, would be nice if they did the same with this.



This I can understand. Lethality = 30% all the time, PotW = 25% most of the time. I will read more carefully next time.



Was looking at SoE as a survivability talent to give your healers a little extra time to keep you in. Its not a 2% increase in dodge or crit, but if you get healed then you will do a lot more damage over all. Dead rogues do 0 DPS.

No, I mean "you'll do way better with a build that doesn't suck."


WA was proccing every time you got hit, yes, but it was proccing a 50% reduction to YOUR damage, not the person hitting you.


SoE is worthless. It's the Remorseless Attacks of the Combat tree. 15% less damage taken is complete **** compared to a pretty much constant 2% crit (which still needs to be buffed, but that's another discussion entirely).

In PvE, you shouldn't need to worry about survivability. If you do, you're an idiot doing subpar damage.

Was pretty much doing the same as Theo's first ShS build when patch comes.



Although... looking at what they did to sub, I am seriously going to give ShS daggers a try for a bit when the expac hits. This will depend on what they do to plate, but it's looking extremely viable again.

When i look at the talent calculator and look at WA, it also doesn't show an internal or global cooldown in the tooltip. Then again it also doesn't show duration in the tooltip.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=51706
Any ideas on what would be reasonable for WA proc chances and cooldown?

Also Theo, you might have missed this question earlier:
I've always heard rumors of combopoints being a buff on the rogue itself, meaning you can switch targets without loosing combopoints.

Is there any talk about this on the beta forums/patchnotes/grapevine etc ?


Edited, Aug 28th 2008 1:08pm by samperor

That's exactly my point. Theo seems to consider everybody below the 2200 ratings or T5 content a noob. If you know this, you can shrug it off and say "Oh it's just theo; he's pointing out I won't become top notch with this build but an avarage wow player will probably do fine". And it's not "getting bent out of shape", it's rather thinking out loud. Even if he considers every build that isn't min/maxing for specific content sucky, he doesn't always have to say so? I mean, what's the point on even talking about non-cookie cutter builds if everybody is just going to say "don't bother it sucks"? What would there be to discuss at all in these forums if everybody would just say "spec this, play like this, gear this or you suck"?
For example, I've got an elementalist 0/30/31 specced mage. Sure, I'm not going to get into top notch pvp or raids with him. But I dó like to discuss the possibilities of retaining that playstyle while improving the build. I'm not waiting for people to tell me I suck and need to go cookie cutter spec #1 for raids or cookie cutter spec #2 for PvP. You can see it as 2-manning dungeons; yes, I know entering the place with 5 people is a lot easier and will get me further. But I want to see how far just me and my pall can get.


P.S. I realize the post now sounds a bit like I'm bashing Theo, but that's really not my intention. I'm just attempting to draw a line between both different kinds of content and playstyle.

Wall of text crits everyone for a bajillion, forum wipes, you take 10% durability. =p

I really didn't want this to turn into a flame fest, but rather a discussion of what the cookie cutters would become with the new talents once they are available. I thought everything was still in the theorycrafting faze and that there weren't any CCs out yet.

There's no way with the current talents that combat will be a PvP build in WotLK, especially with mace stuns being removed.

Especially with the talents assassination and sub are receiving.

It'll probably still be taken in a combat build, as using it when you pop an AP trinket or when you've got a double proc of mongoose up (or double proc of whatever weapon enchant we'll use in WotLK) for a bit of DPS boost, but like I was saying, it's hardly a solid DPS talent like SA is as a 41 point talent. It's just that there's nothing else that will boost your DPS more in any other tree. I mean, 1 point in Imp Poisons isn't going to be worth more than that, neither is Cold Blood if you're going 20/51/0 and thinking about 21/50/0.