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#1 Aug 26 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Default
Hi,

Im not sure if anyone can relate but i have alot of really good shadow gear. I have been holy since beta in wow and have no clue how to dps. I have full T6 shadow set including T6 boots, belt, and bracers.

I have no clue on spell rotations, cooldowns, or anything. I could tell you almost anyhting there is to know about raiding as a COH priest atm though. If anyone has any information or any good links to share i would greatly appreciate it.

~Jádez
#2 Aug 26 2008 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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The thing about Shadow DPS, as I understand it, is that it's not so much about a rotation as it is about managing cooldowns. Keep SW:P and VT up at all times, and SW:D and Mind Blast on cooldown always (i.e., use each every time they're available; you can shield on the SW:D if you reallyreally need to). Mind Flay in between. They say mana is a PITA until you get about 900 spell damage and then everything is magical and lovely, with unicorns and pretty bluebirds terrorized by your shadowy horror. I never made it to 900 damage before I went holy though, so that's hearsay on my part.
#3 Aug 26 2008 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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I recommend you take a look at www.shadowpriest.com
#4 Aug 27 2008 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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They say mana is a PITA until you get about 900 spell damage and then everything is magical and lovely, with unicorns and pretty bluebirds terrorized by your shadowy horror. I never made it to 900 damage before I went holy though, so that's hearsay on my part.


This is true! :) But honestly if you have a T6 set, there should be no question you are past that mark.

Generally my rotation is - VE, SW:P, MB, SW:D, MF, MB, MF SW:D, VE is usually up again so repeat from step 1. I toss in a VT as needed if the raid is taking damage. It draws so much aggro, I never ever stick it in the first roation though. I guess it all depends where you stand on the aggro chart. If your spell haste is like me at 0, then it times out pretty well as is. I guess adjust as needed. And of course, good luck!
#5 Aug 27 2008 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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lauisifer wrote:
Generally my rotation is - VE, SW:P, MB, SW:D, MF, MB, MF SW:D, VE is usually up again so repeat from step 1. I toss in a VT as needed if the raid is taking damage. It draws so much aggro, I never ever stick it in the first roation though.


Hm. Either you're mixing up VE and VT in that paragraph, or I was, like, a rilly bad shadow priest. I'm willing to accept either possibility.
#6 Aug 27 2008 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Vampiric Touch is the Mana return, Vampiric Embrace is the HP return. So... I think VT should be represented in that cast sequence.
#7 Aug 27 2008 at 4:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Hm. Either you're mixing up VE and VT in that paragraph, or I was, like, a rilly bad shadow priest. I'm willing to accept either possibility.


Im certainly not the best shadow priest, but yes i got them mixed up, ty for pointing that out. Hey were all not perfect. I have many flaws and switching letters whilst not double checking my post is a pretty small one.

Please forgive me.

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lauisifer wrote:
Im certainly not the best shadow priest, but yes i got them mixed up, ty for pointing that out. Hey were all not perfect. I have many flaws and switching letters whilst not double checking my post is a pretty small one.

Please forgive me.


Was totally kidding around, but you know that right? Smiley: blush
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It's just not good enough, lauisifer! Smiley: mad
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#10 Aug 28 2008 at 3:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Was totally kidding around, but you know that right?


I am also a natural blonde and never get jokes, but when I read your post honestly I thought to myself -
Now teacake is not usually one to get snippy with people is this just a joke or did I touch a nerve or something? I wasnt sure! I feel better now, my feelings were kinda hurt. :)
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#12 Aug 28 2008 at 4:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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lauisifer wrote:
I feel better now, my feelings were kinda hurt. :)


I'm sorry it offended you, that was not at all the intent. Smiley: frown If anything it was meant to be at my own expense, since we all know I can be a bit ditzy at times, implying that I wasn't sure of the difference and was befuddled by what was clearly a simple typo... and yeah, the rule about jokes being exceptionally bad if you have to explain them applies, so... yeah.

On the bright side, if you're still mad, maybe we could, you know, start pulling hair and scratching and stuff. I bet we could sell tickets to that, make a little gold on the side? Oh! Or they could pay us in Peacebloom! Ironic AND profitable!

Mmmkay I need tea.
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On the bright side, if you're still mad, maybe we could, you know, start pulling hair and scratching and stuff.


Time to warm up the pool of jelly
#14 Aug 28 2008 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry it offended you, that was not at all the intent. If anything it was meant to be at my own expense, since we all know I can be a bit ditzy at times, implying that I wasn't sure of the difference and was befuddled by what was clearly a simple typo... and yeah, the rule about jokes being exceptionally bad if you have to explain them applies, so... yeah.

On the bright side, if you're still mad, maybe we could, you know, start pulling hair and scratching and stuff. I bet we could sell tickets to that, make a little gold on the side? Oh! Or they could pay us in Peacebloom! Ironic AND profitable!

Mmmkay I need tea.


Oh teacake you are wonderful - hehe, honestly we could earn more than just peacebloom, it goes for pretty cheap on the AH, but with inscription coming out maybe its a smart marketing plan in the works. /three cheers!
#15 Aug 28 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Default
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I love these forums... Over at the rogue boards we've got discussions about Theo's looking down going on and here there's a thread made out of apologies *Chuckles*

Sorry for the off-topicness, this just caught my eye. =)
#16 Aug 28 2008 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rogues iz backstabbing meanies. We're all about peace, healing, and redemption.
#17 Aug 28 2008 at 2:05 PM Rating: Default
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Priests = hippies.

I like the thought. I'll stop the off-topicness now tho.
#18 Sep 08 2008 at 1:08 AM Rating: Good
kinda just gazed over the posts. but just to throw my own funny little opinion into the mix.

it sounds stupid and im by no means anything resembling an emo. but when im playing my shadow priest i feel alot more reckless than other classes.

As a shadow priest you actually have the potential to harm yourself for the greater good. so in a way playing a shadow priest in pve or even pvp means you cannot be afraid to kill yourself.

I cannot count how many times i have been in a 2v2 arena and told my parter ua lock this

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Im goin down but im gonna take this ******* with me


then comes the ever famous swd at the last possible second that kills you but then your last dot tick kills him.

so i think priests are less hippie than they seem.

If anything i would think of them more as the "kill at any cost" type.

lol or maybe im just playing wrong




as far as rotation goes. it really depends on your gear and spec.. and your gear should determine your spec.

If you have a ton of hit rating you can afford to loose a bit of shadows focus. thus you can put points into inp mind blast for the quicker cooldown.. ultimatly you should aim for a hitcap with 2 points improving mindblast and 3 in shadows focus. think you need like 120 hit rating for that though.


anyway my experience goes to bt and my rotation varries depending on my gear im wearing.

If im wearing straight up spelldamage gear (1200+) shadowdamage then i try to go for the average VT,SWP,VE(optinal via threat oprotunity),MB,SWD,MF,MF,MF pretty much keep vt up at all times and fire mb and swd at all oprotunities.

but when i first learned to play shadow priest i was told this on a guide from the shadow priest forums at another site.

"there is no difinitive rotation for a shadow priest, to many variables effect you to allow you to have a standard. just know your skills and know how to use them and your rotation will follow."



Edited, Sep 8th 2008 5:11am by Freefire
#19 Sep 13 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Some good info in this thread already, but I wanted to add this:

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16977-shadow_priest_101_how_melt_faces_effectively/

Some basic but useful information regarding gems, enchants, some useful talents in the Discipline tree to consider, gear (although if you have t6 that isn't an issue), plus information you desire regarding prioritizing your spells. Shadowpriest.com is also a nice resource.

*edit* Re: the Elitist jerks thread I linked...some of the information regarding spell haste might seem a bit outdated. The thread was created in October 2007, so bear that in mind. It is my understanding that in higher end content, spell haste is a more valuable commodity but as I am not at that level of progression I hesitate to say.

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7. What is a spell priority system, and how does it apply to Shadow Priests?
ZOMG I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT ROTATION TO USE.

Sorry, it doesn't quite work like that. Shadow priests may have specific combinations they like to cast (such as MB -> MF -> MF -> MB) but they are part of a general priority system. This priority system is a way to determine what spell to cast next. It is a method to juggle essentially four cooldowns (MB, SW:D, VT, SW:P).

The spell priority that is generally accepted is...

1. VT
2. SW:P
3. MB
4. SW:D
5. MF

This means you always maintain VT, and then always maintain SW:P. If both of these are ticking, use MB if it's up, and then SW:D. Only MF if all four other spells are on cooldowns.

NOTE: This is a maximum DPS priority list. At lower gear levels, it is common to simply use...

1. VT
2. SW:P
3. MF



Edited, Sep 13th 2008 3:40pm by Miskreant
#20 Sep 19 2008 at 1:31 AM Rating: Default
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I say we leave the jelly cold, i favor the look of a cold nipples to warm ones!
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