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#1 Aug 25 2008 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
Is it a bad idea? Will it be that much slower than ret? Will I be able to tank as ret while leveling up if I go that route? I'm rolling a Pally because I like to tank and want to try Pally tanking.
#2 Aug 25 2008 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I just hit 61. So I can probably say pretty well.

You will go slower as a Prot. However, you can AOE grind. I mistakenly thought that IF I leveled as Prot, I would be better at tanking once it mattered. This wasn't true. Old-World content is so hard to get a real group - there's always a friend or guildie who's 10 levels above... So my tanking experience really didn't help me. (Also - much of Old-World content is Tankable as Ret.

I thought it was Fun. I really am enjoying tanking now, but if I had to do it all over again, I'd take Ret to 60, then spec for tanking Outland Instances.
#3 Aug 25 2008 at 2:30 PM Rating: Default
For some reason I can always build a group so am planning on tanking all instances as I level up. If a ret spec can tank almost as good at 0-40 then I'll go ret to speed up leveling. But if tanking isn't good enough then I'd be willing to spec prot and level a little slower. But if its horrendously slower I'd consider just being ret till 40.
#4 Aug 25 2008 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
Actually I found that protection was faster for me than ret. Ret is faster against single targets, but a lot of stuff in this game is grouped up. You can finish them simultaneously with protection. And protection build can kill any single target ret can, when you need to kill that named mob for the quest, it just takes longer. Overall, I'd say I found protection faster than retribution.

I respecced a ton from 1-70, I think you might find ret faster until you get holy shield, but I don't know. You know what makes paladin level the fastest though? Team play. :P I leveled from 58-60 as ret, 60-65 as prot, mostly solo, then 65-70 as holy, all PuG instances, and I think I did it in shorter time than 58-65. Also, now I have a bunch of quests left to do with pure profit reward. :P


Edited, Aug 25th 2008 4:29pm by digitalcraft
#5 Aug 25 2008 at 4:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I started prot and have never turned back, so I can't say what to about ret or holy, but IMO prot is the way to go. There really is nothing like being able to pull 5 mobs and then sit back and watch tv till they die!! LOL!

And I also ran instance from 61 to 68 with my priest. I love the fact that when I go back so many quests are nothing but profit!!
#6 Aug 25 2008 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Levelling as Prot is considerably faster than Retribution, I have tried both and it's a fact. Get the Shield from the Sporeggar faction which causes a DoT on a sucessful block, and you will be able to grind 5-6 melee mobs with little issue. I finished the mob-intensive Zangarmarsh and Nagrand quests extremely quickly by AoE grinding, finishing on 90% health and 80% mana after killing six mobs at the same time is just pure joy.

The other great thing is you will find it so much easier to find instance group slots while you're levelling, which will speed up your route to 70 even more. I probably got 30% of my XP from instancing alone, and as a result had pretty kickass gear by the time I finally hit 70.

The downside is you will suck badly in PvP, casters especially will eat you alive in World PvP, and going to Battlegrounds is an embarassing experience as Prot.
#7 Aug 25 2008 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
Be a Ret Paladin, and aways have a shield and one handed weapon with you.
#8 Aug 25 2008 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds like the right answer differs. It really is fun to take on 4 - 6-10 mobs and live. Yeah, when everything goes crazy you might burn a Pot, but Prot Spec is fun.

My point was mainly that, Unless you plan on slowly leveling (really experiencing content...) You won't be running many Old-World Instances - And - Since you don't need to Spec Tank to do it in Old-World content... If I could do it again, I'd go Ret. But, like others have said... Maybe Prot is faster...

Hey - either way, it's all about play style.
#9 Aug 26 2008 at 9:15 AM Rating: Good
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I have levelled one toon to 70 now, and was Ret until 61 and then Prot... I now have an alt who has ALWAYS been prot and is now level 32 with no talents outside of the Prot tree. I don't play him much, so he is always fully rested. Being fully rested and being able to take on 5-8 mobs at a time WHILE completing quests (outdoor or instance) is SOO the way to go. The blue bar of double experience NEVER goes away. You want to level as fast as possilble as Prot? Every time your bar turns purple, go stay at an inn for a few hours and fiddle around on an alt or clean the house or something. With a constant blue bar and efficient questing and instancing, you can get to outlands quickly and have "decent" gear by the time you get there.

As one other poster said... if you like PvP, you will NOT like levelling as prot tho.
#10 Aug 26 2008 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Good god lvling protection sucks.
There are very few times when you can pull 6-8 mobs at once, at that only really works when they don't have bleed effects. Or constant poisons, diseases, etc. Very few times. Even worse, by the time you gather most of these, half have left you for moving too far. The best thing to lvl on is buzzards in Hellfire, but even then.

And I was moderately geared, with as much tanking gear as possible, the sporeggar shield with felsteel spike and all the goodies and no way can you take 6-8 equal lvls and walk away with 90% health and 80% mana. Atleast the vast majority of mobs you fight is that way. It's the special abilities mentioned above that ruin that.

And good luck fighting casters, because it will take you an hour to take them down. And half of all the mobs you fight are casters. You don't block spells and you only get one hammer of justice per minute. It kills your health.

You can tank as ret up to 68 or so, after that the gear shifts heavily and the mobs hit really hard. I've tanked everything up to and including Sethekk Ret, anything beyond takes too much work or just isn't going to happen without an overpowered group.

My $.02 is to stick with Ret as you level, save your tank gear from quest rewards and instance runs if possible and then respec whenever you are ready to tank only.

Added note: This is protection in outlands from my experience. I never went protection pre-59 and so can't speak to that.

Edited, Aug 26th 2008 3:23pm by NephthysWanderer
#11 Aug 27 2008 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
I leveled to 35 as Ret and then switched to Prot to test out the AoE grind. I just respecced back to Ret to try it out again and see the difference at a higher lvl.

Prot seemed to be better for grinding/questing due to the fact that you can solo higher lvl mobs with better survivability. When you have to kill X boars/bears/whatever, you can do it all in 2-3 pulls as Prot and come out of the fight unscathed.

Biggest problems are (1)Casters (2)Bleed/Poison

I have a lingering suspicion that a Ret pally could kill 4-5 mobs in 3-4 pulls just as fast as a Prot pally could kill 4-5 mobs in 1 pull. Rarely do you get to pull more than 4-5 mobs at once, but those few places are great for grinding.
#12 Aug 27 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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At low levels, ret sucks. I did a short test on the yetis outside tarren mill, and Seal of command did LESS damage than seal of Righteousness. It worked out to the same difference on a 2h weapon or a 1h weapon. The gap is even bigger if you spec into improved righteousness (Holy tree). Of course, I have yet to go back to SoC since lvl 35, but the fact Command was such a let-down left a bad taste in my mouth. I might respec back to ret at 60, since weapons are significantly better so the added damage should be more.

Edited, Aug 27th 2008 11:47am by Zeynothix
#13 Aug 28 2008 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Zeynothix wrote:
At low levels, ret sucks. I did a short test on the yetis outside tarren mill, and Seal of command did LESS damage than seal of Righteousness. It worked out to the same difference on a 2h weapon or a 1h weapon. The gap is even bigger if you spec into improved righteousness (Holy tree). Of course, I have yet to go back to SoC since lvl 35, but the fact Command was such a let-down left a bad taste in my mouth. I might respec back to ret at 60, since weapons are significantly better so the added damage should be more.

Edited, Aug 27th 2008 11:47am by Zeynothix


Ret Sucks until you get a BIG SLOW 2-h weapon. The proc rate of SoCasino is 7 ppm on AVERAGE. The faster the weapon, the fewer procs PER SWING you are going to get. Optimal speed for SoCasino is 3.6 or SLOWER... that way you get a proc on average of at least 45% of the time. That is why they put Verigan's Fist in the game to be obtained at level 21-22. Being Ret until you have that blows, but being prot or holy from 1-20 blows too, so it really doesn't matter. If you are using a 1-h and shield to tank pre-bc instances as a Ret, then you certainly want to go with SoR for that... SoCasino is WAY too unreliable with a 1-h weapon. Once you get Verigan's Fist (which should last you until you get the Ravager out of SM or Rockpounder out of Uldaman), Ret pretty much rocks. Sure, you can still have a 2-minute fight with only like 5 or 6 SoC procs total, but then the next 2-minute fight, it procs almost every swing! That's why they call it a 7 ppm average....
#14 Sep 08 2008 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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I lvled as prot from 1-64. I did have a group of friends so we hit alot of instances. And in that situation I found that it was insanely fast untill about lvl 50. But that was likely because I took a break and my group ran off without me. At 64 I hooked up with a prot pally and respeced holy. If you have friends then lvling as prot will likely give you the edge you need to become a superior tank. You will know how threat works and how to stay ahead of the occasionally suicidal dps.
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