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#1 Aug 24 2008 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
I've read the faqs, and saw that generally arms is better for pvp, and both can be used for pve dps. My question is what overall does more pve dmg fury or arms, and which would be a better spec to lvl with?

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#2 Aug 25 2008 at 5:40 AM Rating: Good
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FYI - this is a common question, and there is no straight answer. Bother are good to level with, and can DPS just fine.

My personal favorite is the 2H Fury Slam up until OL, then DW. But that's just me. Everyone has their favorite.
#3 Aug 25 2008 at 5:49 AM Rating: Good
Although I'm a prot warrior now, I leveled as an arms/fury hybrid. It was a blast, and leveling was pretty quick. After hitting 70 I did a lot of battlegrounds and got some good gear. Although pvp gear isn't the best for pve content, it's a really good start. Get a good spec, one of the 33/28 builds, and you can do a lot of damage.

I raid occasionally with a 14/47 fury warrior, who consistently tops the damage meters in 25 man content. So while either spec is good for leveling, at end game, arms is probably better for pvp, and fury is better for end game raiding. Also, it doesn't cost much to repec, lol.


#4 Aug 25 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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While Arms is good for leveling, and it's nice to only have to get 1 good weapon to be a significant upgrade, I think Fury out-damages Arms all around (except maybe levels 10-15 or so, when it helps tremendously to have Improved Heroic Strike, since it's your main attack then). At 10-12 I put points in Imp HS, then start putting points in fury until 40. At 40 I respec to 31 points in Fury for Bloodthirst, and build a leveling spec from there focused in Fury - something like this (though if you aren't good at dealing with running mobs or if you like to PvP, Piercing Howl will be invaluable).
#5 Aug 25 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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tehawsomeguy wrote:
My question is what overall does more pve dmg fury or arms, and which would be a better spec to lvl with?


when raiding
fury = more personal dps. BT>WW>HS if you have enough rage to keep demo/battle shout up and won't miss the next BT or WW; use haste pots on cooldown, stack haste pot/reck/heroism/drums during execute phase while keeping BT/WW on cooldown while spamming HS and execute in between = profit.

arms = 4% buff to physical raid dps, but you need to be in a really good group to get the most benefit (feral, ret, enhance shaman, you and most likely a rogue and as many people with drums as possible). it's easy to play arms wrong in a raid and totally negate the 4% buff to physical damage you gave everyone else by totally sucking with your personal dps. some people use insane strength pots with their early Death Wish, then keep haste pots on cooldown.

cheaper to level with
arms. grab a big slow 2h sword, spec into 2/2 imp. slam and sword spec, follow the white hit>slam>white hit>MS>white hit>WW rotation = profit. may also do this with a 2h axe and axe spec.

faster to level with if you're rich
dual wield fury, BUT you have to have top chants and top gear to pull it off. i think it was someone on theoryspot etc. that experimented with the different leveling builds, dual wield fury came out on top but he had the best weapons he could possibly get, both weapons enchanted with crusader until he got to OL, etc.
#6 Aug 25 2008 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
Ty for all the replies they really help :)
One question tho... Why 2h fury instead of 2h arms?
#7 Aug 25 2008 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Due to Slam and probably Precision, I'd guess.

I've tried both 2h MS, 2h Slam and DW Fury and I've found dual-wielding to be my preferred playstyle while leveling. I enjoy stance dancing and the wall of numbers that happen when you pull 2-3 mobs and wtfown them with Whirlwind, Bloodthirst and Cleave crits.

I have to disagree on the enchants, though. I've leveled without using any (at least that I know of), only making sure that my weapons weren't completely outdated, and it went just fine. Thanks to Bloodthirst and Blood Craze, I didn't have to rest much. I heard both talents are going to be improved in the expansion, Blood Craze being buffed to double the effect (6% instead of 3%) and Bloodthirst will heal based on your maxium health (maximum base health, or total health?).

Meh, 2h Slam is probably a faster method overall, but after having missed a mob three times in a row, I got tired of having to wait three seconds on the next swing. I dare say it was more boring than leveling a Paladin.
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#8 Aug 26 2008 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Mazra wrote:

Meh, 2h Slam is probably a faster method overall, but after having missed a mob three times in a row, I got tired of having to wait three seconds on the next swing. I dare say it was more boring than leveling a Paladin.


I just have been throwing an execute out if I miss twice in a row at the end of the fight.

But on the Pally comment, leveling a pally as protection is pretty damn fun. Round up as many mobs as you can and watch the wall of numbers fill your screen until they all fall over at the same time.
#9 Aug 27 2008 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Mazra wrote:
Due to Slam and probably Precision, I'd guess.

I've tried both 2h MS, 2h Slam and DW Fury and I've found dual-wielding to be my preferred playstyle while leveling. I enjoy stance dancing and the wall of numbers that happen when you pull 2-3 mobs and wtfown them with Whirlwind, Bloodthirst and Cleave crits.

I have to disagree on the enchants, though. I've leveled without using any (at least that I know of), only making sure that my weapons weren't completely outdated, and it went just fine. Thanks to Bloodthirst and Blood Craze, I didn't have to rest much. I heard both talents are going to be improved in the expansion, Blood Craze being buffed to double the effect (6% instead of 3%) and Bloodthirst will heal based on your maxium health (maximum base health, or total health?).

Meh, 2h Slam is probably a faster method overall, but after having missed a mob three times in a row, I got tired of having to wait three seconds on the next swing. I dare say it was more boring than leveling a Paladin.


Blood Craze will total regen 6% HP per proc.

BT will heal a total of 7.5% HP if you hit 5 swings in 8 sec.

I think this "5 swings in 8 seconds" thing doesn't get along very well with DW a pair of slow 2-handers. Guess we'll be looking at fast 2-handers.
#10 Aug 27 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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So the health regen is based on our total health, with gear and buffs and everything? A Warrior with 10,000 health would regen 600 of it over six seconds throgh Blood Craze and 750 if he got all the Bloodthirst procs?

Doesn't seem too shabby. My Druid regens 500ish through Improved Leader of the Pack which is also on a 6-second cooldown. Granted, it's a passive effect, but still.
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#11 Aug 28 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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...i think it was someone on theoryspot etc. that experimented with the different leveling builds


Tankspot has the different build experiment. The weapons used can be obtained from instances, or quests involving instances. The guy seems to have the weapons a few levels early so I would guess he has been given a bit of help from a higher level every now and then in the instances.

Edit: Duh L2Read, he says it on the page that he got help on some quests.

Edited, Aug 29th 2008 12:48am by Jizzlok
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