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#1 Aug 22 2008 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Settle a bet for me. Let say you have a pally tank and druid healer. When being healed with a hot does the pally get mana back over time? If so, Does this apply even if the hot over heals the pally. Or does the spiritual attunement not “kick in “ until all the ticks are over.
#2 Aug 22 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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soulfulstrut wrote:
Settle a bet for me. Let say you have a pally tank and druid healer. When being healed with a hot does the pally get mana back over time? If so, Does this apply even if the hot over heals the pally. Or does the spiritual attunement not “kick in “ until all the ticks are over.


When in doubt, look at your Combat Log. You are gaining mana back on every tick of the HOT. You will not gain mana from overheals though.

Someone posed an interesting comment here the other day though, that I have yet to verify. Allegedly, paladins gain threat whenever they RECEIVE healing, due to Spiritual Attunement. I know the mysteries of threat have yet to be fully revealed, but I wonder if anyone's ever played around with this to any degree.
#3 Aug 22 2008 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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I have no idea whether being healed influences a Paladin's threat in any way or not (other than giving us more mana to generate threat with), but I can definitely say that HoT's generate mana over time via Spritual Attunement.
#4 Aug 22 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
soulfulstrut wrote:
Settle a bet for me. Let say you have a pally tank and druid healer. When being healed with a hot does the pally get mana back over time? If so, Does this apply even if the hot over heals the pally. Or does the spiritual attunement not “kick in “ until all the ticks are over.


Yes you do get mana back over time, but no it wont give you mana on overheals. Everytime lifebloom ticks, you will get mana assuming it wasn't an overheal.
#5 Aug 22 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
jeromesimina wrote:
I have no idea whether being healed influences a Paladin's threat in any way or not (other than giving us more mana to generate threat with), but I can definitely say that HoT's generate mana over time via Spritual Attunement.


You do gain threat from spritual attunement. Under normal situations, its minor. In fights like Brutallus, it adds up very fast. You take so much damage and gain so much mana from heals, it adds up fast.
#6 Aug 22 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Everyone's been correct.

You'll gain mana back for any actual healing received that is credited to someone else in the combat log. Think of each separate HoT tick as a very small healing spell cast on you by the Druid. Each one will give you mana returns. Lifebloom blooming will not, since the healing is credited to you. As always, you don't get any mana returned if there wasn't actually any healing done (over-healing doesn't actual heal you.. so you don't gain mana from that).

You also gain threat from being healed, though not directly. You actually gain threat by regenerating mana. Everyone gains threat by regenning mana (including casters when they're outside of the 5 second rule) only you tend to regen a TON more mana than anyone else. The amount of threat you gain, though small, is NOT negligible. If you check out a parse of a boss fight, you'll find that it's actually a fairly decent % of your total threat (we're not talking 10% here, but still not negligible). If you factor out the DPS and just look at the fight in terms of your healers and you, you can effectively say that healers generate less threat by healing a Paladin tank for this reason. While technically they generate the same threat as always, the mana that is returned to you generates threat and works to counter the threat that the healers generate.

And befitting to the mechanics by which a Paladin tanks, any mob that has "noticed" you, (ie. has you in it's threat table at some point) will build aggro on you from the mana returned through Spiritual Attunement, so it contributes to AoE threat generation as well.
#7 Aug 22 2008 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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You actually gain threat by regenerating mana. Everyone gains threat by regenning mana (including casters when they're outside of the 5 second rule)


I had no idea about this. wow. Interesting info.

Thanks.
#8 Aug 22 2008 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Normal power regen does not generate threat. Normal health regen also does not generate threat.
-wowwiki(power = mana/rage/energy)

#9 Aug 22 2008 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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While mana regen through potions definitely doesn't generate threat (other than the "Use of Item" debate) -- I recall reading a thread @ Maintankadin where someone managed to pull aggro in an experiment in reverse engineering a Paladin-centric threat meter using only 5-second rule mana regen.. Though I don't have a link and will accept this being dismissed as an urban legend.

Even eliminating classic mana regen, the main point remains true. Mana returned through Spiritual Attunement does add to threat.
#10 Aug 23 2008 at 7:30 AM Rating: Decent
Does this mean that SoW helps generate more threat than SoL?
#11 Aug 23 2008 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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I don't think so. I don't know the exact conversion of mana gained to threat but I do know that healing is converted 1 to 1 into threat.
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