ok, I got berserker stance last night and thus far I am not impressed. It got me thinking, in typical solo play, what stance do you warriors generally use and why?
Thus far I am liking the battle stance because of the increased rage generation from my charge. It really sets me up to be able to start a slam rotation very quickly. In berserker, if I have the rage and I use my intercept I start off in the hole on the rage bar. That and overpower isn't available in berserker.
Is it normal to start in battle, charge in, hit demoralizing shout then switch to berserker for the crit or do you all just generally stick with one stance?
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I suggest to chech the FAQ and read why all capable warrior use different stances for different situation,
I stancedance all the time
I stancedance all the time
I did read the FAQ, and it says that the output from berserker won't compensate for the increased damage that you take. The FAQ doesn't talk about gameplay which I asked about not about what the stance itself does.
Kilt, you say you stancedance all the time....well tell me about it.
Kilt, you say you stancedance all the time....well tell me about it.
Well ok ... a little bit then
For example i need to tank a mob and am i a situation where i can charge, i charge (while in battle stance) and while charging change to defensive stance so that when i reach my target i can put on some sunders.
In PvP you want to use intercept (zerker stance) but also initiate a fight by charging in (battle stance) or you are the flag carrier in WSG and need the extra survivability (defensive stance)
I use every stance and change alot, especially in PvP = stance dancing
For example i need to tank a mob and am i a situation where i can charge, i charge (while in battle stance) and while charging change to defensive stance so that when i reach my target i can put on some sunders.
In PvP you want to use intercept (zerker stance) but also initiate a fight by charging in (battle stance) or you are the flag carrier in WSG and need the extra survivability (defensive stance)
I use every stance and change alot, especially in PvP = stance dancing
You can really pick and choose what stance you want and when to use it. It depends on what abilities you want.
For soloing, I generally stay in Battle Stance.
For tanking, I generally stay in Def Stance.
For DPS (in groups), I generally stay in Bezerker.
If I ever need certain abilities from other stances, then I stance dance to it. If I don't, then I don't.
For example, if I'm in Battle Stance (soloing with a 2h weapon), and I want to Pummel a caster. Then, I swap to Bezerker, Pummel, then back to BS.
It's all situational. Keep track of all your abilities, and not just the ones for which stance you are in.
For soloing, I generally stay in Battle Stance.
For tanking, I generally stay in Def Stance.
For DPS (in groups), I generally stay in Bezerker.
If I ever need certain abilities from other stances, then I stance dance to it. If I don't, then I don't.
For example, if I'm in Battle Stance (soloing with a 2h weapon), and I want to Pummel a caster. Then, I swap to Bezerker, Pummel, then back to BS.
It's all situational. Keep track of all your abilities, and not just the ones for which stance you are in.
Yeah, as a MS Warrior, doing dailies I'm generally in Battle stance (Overpower, T. Clap, Charge just about every fight for rage, etc).
However, fighting a caster I normally just Berserker stance them to death. With my Tauren stomp, and pummel if they manage to somehow get a spell off on me, then it's my fault anyway... and with my current gear it don't hurt that much lol (/sigh, logged out in my tanking set).
As mentioned above, stance dancing is useful just because certian abilities can only be used in certian stances =( I wish it was not like that... Nothing like dumping 3/4 full rage bar to pummel someone /sigh.
In raids where I don't normally take much damage it's Berserker stance 90% of the time lol. Back when I was Main tanking I stayed in D.Stance 100% of the time (except for like Nightbane where you have to stance dance to not get feared).
Edited, Aug 22nd 2008 12:39pm by GYFFORD
However, fighting a caster I normally just Berserker stance them to death. With my Tauren stomp, and pummel if they manage to somehow get a spell off on me, then it's my fault anyway... and with my current gear it don't hurt that much lol (/sigh, logged out in my tanking set).
As mentioned above, stance dancing is useful just because certian abilities can only be used in certian stances =( I wish it was not like that... Nothing like dumping 3/4 full rage bar to pummel someone /sigh.
In raids where I don't normally take much damage it's Berserker stance 90% of the time lol. Back when I was Main tanking I stayed in D.Stance 100% of the time (except for like Nightbane where you have to stance dance to not get feared).
Edited, Aug 22nd 2008 12:39pm by GYFFORD
Pummel, intercept, berserker rage, and whirlwind are the main caveats of this stance.
If your deep fury and have the berserker stance damage bonus talents then its worth it to stay in this stance. I was pumping out crazy damage at mid levels. (dont know about outlands since i respecced prot).
personally, i would open a fight by using berserker rage, then switching to battle stance to charge. you get some extra rage in the first few hits you take and in short fights its noticeable.
also remember, you can charge, and switch stances mid charge. as a prot warrior when its possible to do so i'll use berserker rage, dance to battle, charge, mid charge i will dance to prot, and open with a shield slam. this is great for bosses as it lets you start with a large amount of rage (especially if you have at least 1 point in tactical mastery).
If your deep fury and have the berserker stance damage bonus talents then its worth it to stay in this stance. I was pumping out crazy damage at mid levels. (dont know about outlands since i respecced prot).
personally, i would open a fight by using berserker rage, then switching to battle stance to charge. you get some extra rage in the first few hits you take and in short fights its noticeable.
also remember, you can charge, and switch stances mid charge. as a prot warrior when its possible to do so i'll use berserker rage, dance to battle, charge, mid charge i will dance to prot, and open with a shield slam. this is great for bosses as it lets you start with a large amount of rage (especially if you have at least 1 point in tactical mastery).
hey i just realized i've been quoted ^^
wish i could remember what that was about...
wish i could remember what that was about...
I'm a fan of Zerker stance. But then I'm deep fury. I use Zerker stance all the time.
To quote here...
You get 10% increase to damage received BUT...
You get 10% increase of damage suffered, which equates to more rage, so more DPS.
You get Zerker Rage. Which equates more rage out of the more damage, so more dps, and anti-fear.
You get Pummel, so from caster mobs you may end up taking LESS damage than in battle stance.
You get intercept, which has a long stun, stun equates to dealing damage while not taking it. Stun also means no dodging so it means more DPS while not taking any.
And the 3% extra crit means 3% crit + 3% to trigger Flurry.
I only use Battle Stance for specific things like Mocking Blow when tanking, charge when in PvP... on rare occasions when I am tanking and I have to hamstring because it's a PUG FROM HELL and the rogue wanted the dps poison instead of the anti-flee poison while the mage turned out to be a fire mage that doesn't have a button for frostbolt and the warlock didn't want to use recklessness because his curse of agony "crits so awesome"... and that's it.
Defensive for tanking, or when I'm DPSing I use it for quickly taunting stuff off of the healer, throw in a few sunders and continue to kill order. I find it's preferable to have it attacking me until the tank gets it than attacking the healer until the tank gets it (Besides, gives me an insane rage input and that gives me LOTS MOAR PEW PEW).
Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 9:24pm by xorq
Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 9:25pm by xorq
To quote here...
Quote:
Berserker Stance is your 'offensive' stance, with a 10% increase in damage received and a 3% increase to your critical strike chance. Unlike Defensive Stance, as you may have noticed, the modifiers are not equal - you'll receive more damage, but the increase in output from the Stance alone won't alone compensate for the increased damage input. However, Berserker Stance has some of the Warrior’s best abilities - Berserker Rage and Whirlwind.
You get 10% increase to damage received BUT...
You get 10% increase of damage suffered, which equates to more rage, so more DPS.
You get Zerker Rage. Which equates more rage out of the more damage, so more dps, and anti-fear.
You get Pummel, so from caster mobs you may end up taking LESS damage than in battle stance.
You get intercept, which has a long stun, stun equates to dealing damage while not taking it. Stun also means no dodging so it means more DPS while not taking any.
And the 3% extra crit means 3% crit + 3% to trigger Flurry.
I only use Battle Stance for specific things like Mocking Blow when tanking, charge when in PvP... on rare occasions when I am tanking and I have to hamstring because it's a PUG FROM HELL and the rogue wanted the dps poison instead of the anti-flee poison while the mage turned out to be a fire mage that doesn't have a button for frostbolt and the warlock didn't want to use recklessness because his curse of agony "crits so awesome"... and that's it.
Defensive for tanking, or when I'm DPSing I use it for quickly taunting stuff off of the healer, throw in a few sunders and continue to kill order. I find it's preferable to have it attacking me until the tank gets it than attacking the healer until the tank gets it (Besides, gives me an insane rage input and that gives me LOTS MOAR PEW PEW).
Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 9:24pm by xorq
Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 9:25pm by xorq
I love stance dancing. As a Fury Warrior I usually start out with Charge from Battle Stance, then throw down a Battle Shout or a Bloodthirst if the first is already active, then switch to Berserker Stance and finish off the mob there, switching back to Battle Stance for Overpower and once the target is dead.
Pummel, Berserker Rage and Whirlwind all require you to be in Berserker Stance. I spend a lot of time there because all three abilities are extremely potent when soloing. Pummel to silence casters, Whirlwind to deal insane damage and Berserker Rage to increase rage generated.
On a sidenote, I've also engaged too many mobs and had to switch to Defensive stance while equipping a shield. I was at 5% health when I switched to Defensive Stance, spammed Shield Block and Revenge and took down two mobs without climbing below 2% myself.
It's amazing and I really love the Fury aspect of the class. Very fast-paced with a lot of stance dancing and spewing attacks left and right.
Pummel, Berserker Rage and Whirlwind all require you to be in Berserker Stance. I spend a lot of time there because all three abilities are extremely potent when soloing. Pummel to silence casters, Whirlwind to deal insane damage and Berserker Rage to increase rage generated.
On a sidenote, I've also engaged too many mobs and had to switch to Defensive stance while equipping a shield. I was at 5% health when I switched to Defensive Stance, spammed Shield Block and Revenge and took down two mobs without climbing below 2% myself.
It's amazing and I really love the Fury aspect of the class. Very fast-paced with a lot of stance dancing and spewing attacks left and right.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Indeed, add a weapon + stance swap macro and your good to go
thank you all very much for your comments. I don't have WW or pummel yet (getting WW in 1/2 level though). I never thought about the increased rage generation due to taking more damage.
fromanthebarbarian wrote:
hey i just realized i've been quoted ^^
wish i could remember what that was about...
wish i could remember what that was about...
The quote was about some whacked out strategy you had when taking on Shade of Aran (if I remember correctly). I think it was about everyone hanging out in the doorway, and then getting completely annihilated...or something like that. It was a while back though, and my memory isn't so good.
Either way, you made me laugh my butt off. Thanks :)
Edited, Aug 25th 2008 9:23am by YJMark
I'm zerker all the way, regardless of spec. I'm currently spec'd MS, and still stay in zerker (2500k ww crits ftw) Sure, imp zerker stance gives more damage if you're deep fury, but the rage gen from Zerker (arguably) helps a 2-hand wielder even more. I go to battle out of combat for the charge, then charge, switch to zerker while charging, immediately hit zerker rage and am ready with a half rage bar after about a second of combat ... after that it's goodbye mob very quickly (MS > WW > SLAM > Dead mob).
I even macro'd the charge/change to zerker, so that I only push one button.
Now, as an experiment, last night - going on some of the comments here, I tried staying in Battle stance. OH MAN ... that lasted, what .... 2 mobs. Rage Starvation is the biggest issue - I'm so used to having all the rage I need (from zerker rage and increased incoming damage), that it was positively painful.
The thing is that generating all that rage helps kill so much faster, in the time it takes for me to kill the mob - it's hit me 2, maybe 3 times ... damage intake is minimal, because there's no time for them to do damage, which increases uptime. After the inital hickup with the first 2 mobs (which had me at 60% hp after those 2 mobs). I completed the rest of the Quel'Danas dailies ... all of them, and bandaged only once ... that MS /fury hybrid spec'd (NB - 3 points in TM (prot)), with 9.7k hitpoints (thanks to the perma-buff on the isle, and bloodberry elixir)
I even macro'd the charge/change to zerker, so that I only push one button.
Now, as an experiment, last night - going on some of the comments here, I tried staying in Battle stance. OH MAN ... that lasted, what .... 2 mobs. Rage Starvation is the biggest issue - I'm so used to having all the rage I need (from zerker rage and increased incoming damage), that it was positively painful.
The thing is that generating all that rage helps kill so much faster, in the time it takes for me to kill the mob - it's hit me 2, maybe 3 times ... damage intake is minimal, because there's no time for them to do damage, which increases uptime. After the inital hickup with the first 2 mobs (which had me at 60% hp after those 2 mobs). I completed the rest of the Quel'Danas dailies ... all of them, and bandaged only once ... that MS /fury hybrid spec'd (NB - 3 points in TM (prot)), with 9.7k hitpoints (thanks to the perma-buff on the isle, and bloodberry elixir)
while dps'ing solo or in a group i am in zerker stance, i onyl ever use battlestance at charge, then immediateley swap to zerker.
same with pvp, the use of WW and intercept is amazing in pvp for burst dmg and the stun.
same with pvp, the use of WW and intercept is amazing in pvp for burst dmg and the stun.
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me with pvp, the use of WW and intercept is amazing in pvp for burst dmg and the stun.
So you don't use overpower ?
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