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WOTLK's removed downranking will kill rank 1 frostbolt?Follow

#1 Aug 21 2008 at 5:06 AM Rating: Default
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A nerving thought I've had in my mind for a bit. I suppose it will, but I've got slight hope that they leave some spells intact thanks to the difference in casting time.

Anybody who can shed a light?
#2 Aug 21 2008 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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The idea is to kill it, yes.

How they will do it remains open for debate, but downranking has been on Blizzard's hitlist for a while, particularly rank1 FB kiting and Paladins using rank1 Holy Lights to keep Light's Grace up all the time.

They might futz it up and allow it, but cast time wont save the mechanic. The only way I see downranking continuing is if Blizzard run out of time to fix it.
#3 Aug 21 2008 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
They won' get rid of it... it will just be extremely expensive to cast.
#4 Aug 21 2008 at 8:08 AM Rating: Default
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Hmm... I wonder if it will be worth it then. I always thought the downranking was done rather to prevent healers from using lower level heals, and never quite considered the huge impact it would have on my mage. All my frost spells are currently rank 1 and I use them for the sole purpose of snaring/kiting. While I can live without a 55 mana Frost Nova, being forced to cast a 2,5 second cast time frostbolt removes the entire purpose of the spell in my playstyle (using frost spells solely to apply quick snares).

Any clue yet what 'extremele expensive' will be? I suppose if it's ~20% more mana expensive it might be worth considering, but if rank 1 Frostbolt becomes twice the mana cost of my maximum rank I will probably stop using the spell alltogether.
#5 Aug 21 2008 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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Mozared wrote:
Any clue yet what 'extremele expensive' will be? I suppose if it's ~20% more mana expensive it might be worth considering, but if rank 1 Frostbolt becomes twice the mana cost of my maximum rank I will probably stop using the spell alltogether.


Exactly the same cost as the max rank.
#6 Aug 21 2008 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, this will make PvP on a mage more painful. No rank 1 frostbolt (unless you're willing to burn mana) or FN, no rank one ae or blizz to unstealth rogues and druids. Ouch. The other buffs we're getting better be awesome to compensate for that.
#7 Aug 21 2008 at 9:26 AM Rating: Default
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Exactly the same cost as the max rank.


Alright, I can live with that... I just want to keep my 1 second cast snare.

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Yes, this will make PvP on a mage more painful. No rank 1 frostbolt (unless you're willing to burn mana) or FN, no rank one ae or blizz to unstealth rogues and druids. Ouch. The other buffs we're getting better be awesome to compensate for that.


Heck, lower rank AOE... Didn't even think of that yet... Jeez, damn you Blizz! What 'other buffs' are you referring to?
#8 Aug 21 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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Other buffs....3-second pyroblast and the like. Living bomb? Do we like this or not nowadays?
#9 Aug 21 2008 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
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I'm not getting living bomb... elementalist spec... Same thing for Fiery Payback, I don't really see much use for it.

Slowly starting to worry...
#10 Aug 22 2008 at 12:17 AM Rating: Decent
I recently got wind of this and thought I'd check it out. I found this from a blue poster on the wow forums.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765645374&sid=2003#0

This has a picture to help out..taken on an enh shaman I believe.

http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/News_Archive
#11 Aug 23 2008 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
The only nerf to downranking is made to mana cost, not cast time. Basically, in WotLK, your Rank 1 Frostbolt will cost just as much Mana as your max rank, but the cast time won't change. You will still be able to kite your opponents like before, just at a higher cost.
#12 Aug 23 2008 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
From what I have read, the mana for a rank 1 Frostbolt will be more mana then a Frostbolt at Max Rank. Could be wrong though...
#13 Aug 24 2008 at 2:04 AM Rating: Good
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PigeonMan wrote:
From what I have read, the mana for a rank 1 Frostbolt will be more mana then a Frostbolt at Max Rank. Could be wrong though...


The thing I read was that all ranks will have a percentage based mana cost, and the percentage will be the same for all ranks of that spell.
#14 Aug 24 2008 at 4:38 AM Rating: Decent
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The thing I read was that all ranks will have a percentage based mana cost, and the percentage will be the same for all ranks of that spell.


Fair enough...

Edited, Aug 24th 2008 12:35pm by PigeonMan
#15 Aug 24 2008 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Game_Mechanics

All ranks except the maximum rank will cost the same. Max rank will cost less.
#16 Aug 24 2008 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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Ehcks wrote:
http://wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Game_Mechanics

All ranks except the maximum rank will cost the same. Max rank will cost less.


That's true for current BC ranks, but that doesn't contain any word on WotLK max ranks.
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