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#1 Aug 19 2008 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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They're just better then Rogues, right?

There is no counter for Escape Artist at level 39. It breaks stun too. How can you fight that?
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#2 Aug 19 2008 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Escape Artist doesn't break stuns, only snares and roots.

It's in the tooltip.

Mages are cake in PvP until 70 when they get resil.
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You have so many more snares to keep them occupied than they do too btw.

GG poisons iirc the correct level.

Get frost nova'd? Vanish and ****.


Seriously, as long as they aren't a twink, 2 ambushes and they should be done...


So if they are still alive just use some thinking skills on EVERYTHING else you still have to use.
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I've been using two swords, Cheap Shot + Hemo + Hemo + Kidney Shot, stun lock for 9 seconds. On mages though, I use Cheap Shot, hemo once, then kidney shot. It's odd that it doesn't break stuns because I swear they use Escape Artist before I can get Kidney Shot off every single time. That, and they can spam it nonstop. I really don't see how you can beat that.

If a Mage looks at you you're pretty much dead, one time I had 1.6k hp, and died from DoT's alone.

I don't do bad in BG's, 80%+ of the time i'm in the top 5.

Should I be using dagger spec at 39?
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I've been using two swords, Cheap Shot + Hemo + Hemo + Kidney Shot, stun lock for 9 seconds. On mages though, I use Cheap Shot, hemo once, then kidney shot. It's odd that it doesn't break stuns because I swear they use Escape Artist before I can get Kidney Shot off every single time. That, and they can spam it nonstop. I really don't see how you can beat that.

If a Mage looks at you you're pretty much dead, one time I had 1.6k hp, and died from DoT's alone.

I don't do bad in BG's, 80%+ of the time i'm in the top 5.

Should I be using dagger spec at 39?


If you are just leveling, stay swords. But it doesn't hurt to have a dagger on you always.

Honestly a mage shouldn't pose much of a problem.

Save KS until AFTER the mage blinks. (They can blink out of KS).

If you have Imp Sprint, use sprint to get out of a Frost Nova. Use Vanish the second time (or if you don't have Imp sprint).

Although if you have Hemo, I can't rmember if you should have Prep.

If you have Prep and you are still losing... there are problems.
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If you have Imp Sprint, use sprint to get out of a Frost Nova. Use Vanish the second time (or if you don't have Imp sprint).


That's the thing..Can't have Imp Sprint, Hemo, and prep. Its either Imp Sprint or Hemo and Prep.
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Zafire the Tulip wrote:
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If you have Imp Sprint, use sprint to get out of a Frost Nova. Use Vanish the second time (or if you don't have Imp sprint).


That's the thing..Can't have Imp Sprint, Hemo, and prep. Its either Imp Sprint or Hemo and Prep.


Yea so, if you DO have Prep... there should be no reason to not beat a mage.


Pretty much ever.


Even at 70.
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#9 Aug 19 2008 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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Yea so, if you DO have Prep... there should be no reason to not beat a mage.


Well it's a 10 minute recast, and if they put one DoT on you (Which they always put 3-5 on me :\), you'll break movement only to be put back in it again.

Again, just the problems i've found against a mage. I can't find a counter for that escape artist bs

Edited, Aug 19th 2008 10:39pm by Zafire
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Yea so, if you DO have Prep... there should be no reason to not beat a mage.


Well it's a 10 minute recast, and if they put one DoT on you (Which they always put 3-5 on me :\), you'll break movement only to be put back in it again.

Again, just the problems i've found against a mage. I can't find a counter for that escape artist bs

Edited, Aug 19th 2008 10:39pm by Zafire



Now I am just lost...


Do you mean Warlock? A Mage shouldn't be able to put 4-5 dots on you. The only dot a mage has is ignite and if they are that means they are fire spec.

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you'll break movement only to be put back in it again.


What do you mean by this?

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I can't find a counter for that escape artist bs


How often are they casting this, and what is the race of the "mage"?
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#11 Aug 19 2008 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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How often are they casting this, and what is the race of the "mage"?


I've had an undead mage use it three times within about 30 seconds

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Do you mean Warlock? A Mage shouldn't be able to put 4-5 dots on you. The only dot a mage has is ignite and if they are that means they are fire spec.


Really? Interesting. maybe I just get hit in the line of fire. They DO got tons of AoE's though, so if they know you vanish they just run around spamming an insta-cast AoE.


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What do you mean by this?


You get put in a movement impairing effect. You use Vanish to break it. They AoE you, you have a DoT on, or they Escape Artist, then instantly put you back in the same movement impairing effect.

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#12 Aug 19 2008 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Zafire the Tulip wrote:
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How often are they casting this, and what is the race of the "mage"?


I've had an undead mage use it three times within about 30 seconds

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Do you mean Warlock? A Mage shouldn't be able to put 4-5 dots on you. The only dot a mage has is ignite and if they are that means they are fire spec.


Really? Interesting. maybe I just get hit in the line of fire. They DO got tons of AoE's though, so if they know you vanish they just run around spamming an insta-cast AoE.


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What do you mean by this?


You get put in a movement impairing effect. You use Vanish to break it. They AoE you, you have a DoT on, or they Escape Artist, then instantly put you back in the same movement impairing effect.



Escape Artist is a move ONLY Gnomes can have(doesn't matter class).

Would "Teleport" be a better word to describe what they are doing? (You hit them then they jump 20yds away from you?)

You are right about the aoe's. Thats something you always have to watch for.
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#13 Aug 19 2008 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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Would "Teleport" be a better word to describe what they are doing? (You hit them then they jump 20yds away from you?)


K, teleport. I'm not too familiar with the game. yes, it's **** off annoying. I've had a mage take me from 2.5k hp to death with 29hp before. I just don't know what to do against them.
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Zafire the Tulip wrote:
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Would "Teleport" be a better word to describe what they are doing? (You hit them then they jump 20yds away from you?)


K, teleport. I'm not too familiar with the game. yes, it's **** off annoying. I've had a mage take me from 2.5k hp to death with 29hp before. I just don't know what to do against them.


Ah. Blink is the name of that ability then, and YES it DOES break stuns. So ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS try to use KS AFTER they blink and you catch up to them.
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Ah. Blink is the name of that ability then, and YES it DOES break stuns. So ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS try to use KS AFTER they blink and you catch up to them.


That's the problem, though. And even if I do catch up to them, they just use it again, and i'm back to square one.

I hope this gets better with shadowstep.
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Zafire the Tulip wrote:
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Ah. Blink is the name of that ability then, and YES it DOES break stuns. So ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS try to use KS AFTER they blink and you catch up to them.


That's the problem, though. And even if I do catch up to them, they just use it again, and i'm back to square one.

I hope this gets better with shadowstep.


Oh it will.

With ShS you will basically negate his blink everytime and follow up with a KS leaving him helpless for 6seconds while you lay on the hurt.
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#17 Aug 20 2008 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
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One thing you want to do when you're opening on a mage is be careful of his positioning. Watch where he's facing, as Blink moves him directly forward as long as there's ground to walk on. If he's on the edge of the cliff in WSG, or about to go onto a ramp, he'll blink about 2 feet away and come out of blink, allowing you to catch up very easily.

With Prep, you should be able to beat a mage easily. A fight should look like this (with the mage's reactions in the parentheses):

1) CS (Blink)
2) run to them (Frost Nova)
3) Vanish (AoE if they're smart)
4) don't be an idiot and avoid their AoE
5) win.

It's not a hard fight if you know how far Arcane Explosion reaches, as most mages that low are way too terrible to be able to use Blizzard at all.

Also keep in mind when you get good you can gouge right as they Blink and they'll go through the Blink with a gouge on them, allowing you to catch up very easily.

Good level 70 mages are slightly difficult. Other mages are not.
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Do you mean Warlock? A Mage shouldn't be able to put 4-5 dots on you. The only dot a mage has is ignite and if they are that means they are fire spec.


That isn't all that true... 4-5 DOTs for a mage should be fairly impossible, but fireball has an innate 4-5 second (weak) DOT, and you don't really have to be "fire spec" to have ignite. POM -Pyro mages will have it, and even some frost mages might (even though that'd rather make them elementalists).

I generally consider rogues the anti-class of mages... If I ***** up something and they've got nice burst they might be able to take me down. Aside from that there's only 1 mage that ever beat me in a dual, and that was before I had a decent spec.
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Yea so, if you DO have Prep... there should be no reason to not beat a mage.


Pretty much ever.


Even at 70.


I love playing my rogue, but I love playing my mage as well. I destroy rogues 1v1 all the time. Most rogues are scrubs that don't take the time to read forums and learn how to play the class correctly. I feel like I am better than most rogues when I play for the simple fact that I read Theo's threads and keep up with other rogues that post in his threads. Since I know the mechanics of how to play a rogue well I personally destroy rogues when I pvp. My mage isn't that geared really a few pieces of s3/s2/and a few of s1. I have two mages, but the one that I am currently playing is Magepain on Deathwing(the Magepain on Mannoroth is my retired mage that I took to Rival title in S2, both are US servers btw). Anyways, a mage at level 70 has alot of outs to take care of rogues. I personally eat the cheap shot(if used)with ice barrier up and then blink the ks. After that it is just a kite fest which is easy to do because most rogues blow their CoS too early. Like posted before I pretty much always use instant cast abilities so deadly throw isn't doing much for a rogue against me. On my rogue its 50/50 when it comes to fighting mages. They are tough to kill if played right. On my rogue I have been doing alot of Pveing. I know I have never posted a link, but since I suck at posting links if your interested silkk on deathwing is my rogue. I have gotten some goodies recently that I have posted in the Accomplishment thread due to raiding alot. Until next time have fun people.
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Feyras wrote:
I feel like I am better than most rogues when I play for the simple fact that I read Theo's threads.

Lies ! The dark S4 lord hates the lack of paragraphs ! Correct it fast or he'll come and insult your armory page !

Anyways, i dont see you having any great tactics against mages ?
If i open on a mage:
premed -> shadowstep -> garrote. He'll either iceblock or stand and fight (usually not blink unless they panic).

If he iceblocks, use up whatever combo points you had on the mage for SnD then nuke pet.
If he stands there, build up CP's for a 5 point expose armor. If he blinks use sprint, if he uses the ice spell that slows you, either only use sprint or use CloS as well (CloS is usually not necessary).

If you want to easy mode it, wait till your shadowstep CD is gone, then vanish and shadowstep CS, by that time he probably won't be able to blink anymore. If he does blink you can use prep, then vanish shadowstep Garrote or CS or even Sap.

I don't have any problem with mages anymore but then again i'm only in the lower ranks of arena.
If you have one set of cooldowns you should still win unless the mage is very skilled imho.

Feyras, can you tell me how you kill the rogues easily as a mage ? So i can counter it when they try it on me >:D



Edited, Aug 21st 2008 4:20pm by samperor
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Feyras, can you tell me how you kill the rogues easily as a mage ? So i can counter it when they try it on me >:D


I normally keep up Ice Barrier. If they open with CS I eat that until they hit KS then blink out of that and then just kite them. If they Garrote me, normally I get EA'd afterward. I just summon water elemental ASAP and the IB to get the dots off me. I then click out of my IB just as soon as they target my pet(which most of the time they do). Either way I don't keep IB up long. I just use it for a quick defense. I will then blink to get distance from them. Normally here they will either ShS or DT to slow me down. Most of the time it is a DT because they blew their ShS to open on me.

Here is your paragraph :P

I will then Frost Nova to get distance and cast a frostbolt(only if the DT so they have wiped their CB's off of me) to slow them down. After that its normally a kite fest. I just make sure I keep up IB as soon as its on cd and use my FN from my pet as well as mine. I only use a cast time spell if I know they can't interrupt me with a DT. I blink away everytime I get the chance also. Fighting a rogue is all about keeping them kited as a mage. We all know if you get a 5 point EA on me I pretty much have 0 armor.

P.s. If theo insults my armory page I will just take it as advice and keep pushing throughout the day.

Edited, Aug 21st 2008 3:32pm by Feyras
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ah crap i confused your post with another one, i see you already posted that. sorry :/ Thx for the info tho :)
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Mages are cake, it's the 16k HP warlocks with unlimited fears that still beat the sh*t out of me. Not using CoS correctly ftl.
#24 Aug 22 2008 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
Since I did not want to start a new post, I decided to ask here. Recently when i have been going agaisnt mages, when I use a vanish they can get a frost lance on me 1-2 seconds after i have vanished even if they do not target me. I know about the vanish "glitch" and it has happened to me before, but usually that is exactly as i vanish, not even a second of a difference, and when I am knocked out I can stealth (it is on the 5 seconds cd though). In the situation i mentioned, i cannot stealth, but only vanish (which is on cd obviously). Anything I can do to stop this?

*this is at 70
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Are those mages Humans?

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#26 Aug 22 2008 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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1) CS (Blink)
2) run to them (Frost Nova)
3) Vanish (AoE if they're smart)
4) don't be an idiot and avoid their AoE
5) win.


It never works like that.

1) Open with CS (Blink)
2) You Vanish (They run around spamming AoE for 10~ seconds, running in the opposite direction you vanished from)
3) By the time you catch up to them their blink timer is already up again, so open with CS (Blink)
4) Prep, Vanish. etc...

If they get in trouble they can do that ice wall BS and just..blink after it wears.

I had a mage with 1.5k hp today that guarded a base in AB single handedly against 3 of us at the same time, and managed to actually kill us all. It's f'in stupid.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2008 1:21am by Zafire
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