Good old times?Follow

Is there anyone else here, who thinks, that the game has lost a lot of beloved content since the release of TBC?

I've been looking through the old Vurtne-vids, the vids of some old rank 14 mages, and also mages called "Hoodini" and "clazzi", and the only thing I could think about was, how much I hate several things that changed in TBC.

TBC killed several things I liked, and implemented quite a few I could live without. There is resil, Flying mounts, arenas and loads more.

I hate resil, cuz It killed several speccs I liked, I dislike flying mounts, cuz they killed world-PvP and are not neccecarily that useful and I dislike arenas, not directly, but because you are forced to be good at it, to reach the highest gear-lvl. I have nothing against the idea, that you get special ranks in arena, and can compare skills, but the present system just clearly favors some classes, and puts others in an awkward position. Some lucky-asses find a good partner, have a good combo, and not too difficult class, and the decent rating is almost granted, while Mages are required to have quite some skill to reach anywhere, or are best in 5v5, while its the hardest bracket to maintain a team in.

I miss the long-term-AVs and I miss all the lost game-content in AV. I also dislike that it has become pure PvE most of the time. I dislike, that some classes are clearly favored in gaining the new titles from arena, and also the gear. I dislike, that mage-aoe dosn't really hurt anyone in PvP anymore. I miss the one-shot action with several buffs. I dislike, that most of the new gear looks so sci-fi and not really magical... (compare high warlord's warstaff to all PvP staffs up to vengeful) Additionally you get a lot less HKs nowadays, when investing the same time into PvP as in pre-tbc, because ppl just only focus on straight win instead of PvP.

I do not deny, that mages might have been somewhat too strong Pre-TBC, but I still miss it. Outplaying 2 bad rogues beats having to be concentrated on a single one... Mages were somewhat stronger as a class, and certainly one of the favorite ones.

I do think, that most of the old world is just more authentic. With the scurge-invasion, and all the storyline build around the places there. Outlands look so sci-fi in several places, and I rarely discover any surpising background-info on anything, or funny paralels.

TBC is fun still, and has implemented some stuff, that is enjoyable, but I still somewhat like pre-TBC better, I just cant help it. It might also be about the grass being greener on the other side of the fence, but there are several things where I could point out that it was imo better back then.

Ppl might say it was harder to get any gear, but that was same for all classes, and actually when I think back how much PvP I did Pre-TBC and while grinding full s1, several veteran's parts, all vindicator parts, all guardian parts (actually several double, since I experimented with dreadweave parts), a lot s2 parts, and ALL trinkets you can get for PvP (I have battlemaster, the 60 PvP trink, the 70 one, and the epic one and the talisman) and some gems, then I'm really certain I could have reached a real nice PvP-rank by now, as could many other ppl. Convert the arena time I'v spent, and I'd be rank 12 easy.

I do not nececarily want pre-tbc back, but there could be a lot of changes made, to make TBC more enjoyable, orientated at pre-TBC playstyle.

It is just my opinion, and you may think about it whatever you want, I'd apreciante friendly feedback on if you think the same, or disagree. Keep it polite ^^

Well, i hope in the new expasion they raise the XP given from quests and mobs.

cause first lvl to 60 was annoying, now 70, and now imagine,

1-80!!!!


im just gona stick with the death knight.

they increased xp per quest turnin and decreased the amount required to level.

I don't really have much more to add to that. It's exactly one of the things I've been trying to say... The 'warcraft' feeling is gone with TBC thanks to the odd alien landscapes, and will hopefully be back in WOTLK.

Wow, I'm a little amazed... I always thought that a lot of people are so blinded by the decent gear they can now relatively easy get, and their crits, that they're like "***** old wow", but none has yet directly objected to what I've said.

Thats kind of nice and bad at the same time ^^. Well, we could emigrate to china, there TBC isn't yet approved, and they're still on normal wow from what I've heard :P

I have to admit, that on the one hand PvP is more balanced, since 1 or 2-shotting people isn't real balance, on the other hand it also has lost some balance, since eventhough the fights are longer, the classes with outlasting capabilities or abilities, to lock someone effectively down and prevent counteraction now have the edge over burst damage dealers like mages.

Now I also kinda notice how much the map is sewed together. It really looks like they were supposed to create zones that should differ as much as possible, and then throw them on a pile.

Believe me, I disagree with a lot of what you said. Old WoW is a pale shadow of what TBC is. I've just argued it too many times to do so again.

I think it's time I start making your bottles of soda explode again.

Well I was in BWL last weekend. About 22 70s and a couple of players in their 60s (a 67 lock and a 61 <something>). Only about 1/2 of us were attuned. I was not having rerolled the character I was on, so folks cleared through UBRS to get in and then the lock summoned. We downed the first boss in a breeze. They had tried it with about 8 or 9 70s and had just missed. Managing the adds was much different when you can one or two shot them. When we downed the boss the adds just kept coming. So we ended up running out. Which required another clear to get back in (sigh). The 2nd boss was a different story. No fire resist, and not enough heals. We wiped twice and people had to leave.

I have many fond memories of the old 40 man instances. It was great to be back in one. It reminded me of the differences from classic raiding and BC raiding. Yeah the guilds were larger and the raid groups were larger, but I knew a lot more of my guildies a lot better than I do now. Forty people seem like a lot (50-60 really to reliably field a 40 man raid) but its not. I used to spend hours with those folks evenings and Saturdays. You get to know people pretty well over time.

I realize that as someone who was able to find an effective semi-hardcore raiding guild, I was in the minority of players. I realize that people who didn't experience the good side of 40 man raiding think that the BC structure is far better and are looking forward to the 10/25 man setup promised in WotLK. Its to bad that those people don't realize what the game has lost, and I predict will continue to lose. I wish that blizzard would put in one uber 40 man raid. One with sufficient rewards that guilds would invest in building their core raid group to be able to field a 40 man raid again. Back in classic we had a couple of 10 man instances, a couple of 20 man instances, and the 40 man instances. Its not a stretch to imagine a 25/40 instance to compliment the 10/25s they already are planning. Guilds unable to field 40 could still see the content at the 25 man level, guilds with more motivation would be doing the 40 man version with commensurate rewards.

Edited, Aug 27th 2008 2:58pm by MrFredII