So I've finally made a 2nd character (first being a demo lock, which is now level 70). I've read/skimmed through the FAQ sticky and looked at some of it's resource sites, but wanted to ask a few questions.
The FAQ doesn't exactly say the max number of pets, but I think it's 3. One with you and 2 spots buyable at the stable master.
I also read that it's recommended to have 1 pet for DPS and 1 for tanking. The 3rd I'm assuming could be anything else you want. Looks, different DPS or tank pet or laughs.
Reading through the Petopia site, I've wanted to ask about some pets and opinions on them. Yes, I know pets are really a preference thing, but since my hunter just hit level 10, I'm interested to know which pets I've thought about getting would be worth having.
Spiders - Petopia says they don't have anything special, as far as skills. Personally I'd think they would be able to poison, since mob spiders seem to poison my lock and/or his summoned pet, when hit. However, I don't see it listed as skill they can get, on Petopia. Even if they can't get any poison skill, how are spiders for a pet?
Turtles - Do these make good tanks? I'd imagine they'd have the highest defense of just about any pet, but correct me if I'm wrong. Worth getting?
Other pets I've thought of getting are Gorillas and Warp Stalkers. How good are they for a pet?
I'm sorry to ask these, as I'm sure people ask these types of questions all the time. The hunters on the server I play on all seem to use cats or wolves. Occasionally I see a Warp Stalker or Gorilla. I've never seen a spider, turtle or almost anything else used as pets.
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HandsOfDeath wrote:
I also read that it's recommended to have 1 pet for DPS and 1 for tanking. The 3rd I'm assuming could be anything else you want. Looks, different DPS or tank pet or laughs.
Typically through your leveling experience, it's recommend to have 1 pet for tanking and dps. The reason being is that it's very difficult to level up 2 pets through leveling a hunter. It becomes more of a chore, and eventually one of them is just going to fall behind in levels.
HandsOfDeath wrote:
Spiders - Petopia says they don't have anything special, as far as skills. Personally I'd think they would be able to poison, since mob spiders seem to poison my lock and/or his summoned pet, when hit. However, I don't see it listed as skill they can get, on Petopia. Even if they can't get any poison skill, how are spiders for a pet?
If you're into spiders, they are definitely one of the coolest looking pets. If you hate spiders, then obviously you'd opt not to pick one. They don't receive any special abilities (just yet). You'll have to wait until the expansion to get anything out of the spider, kinda sucks, but such is WoW life. They aren't bad pets, just mediocre for the most part. By all means if you like this pet, there's no reason not to tame one. I always suggest pick something that you will enjoy leveling with, you can always change it later on in the higher levels.
HandsOfDeath wrote:
Turtles - Do these make good tanks? I'd imagine they'd have the highest defense of just about any pet, but correct me if I'm wrong. Worth getting?
Anything can make a good tanking pet if spec'd correctly, some just come with higher DPS, Armor, or Stamina. There's really not that much difference between all pets, but check back on Petopia again for exactly what the turtle receives. My biggest problem with my turtle was aggro holding. He could take a beating sure, but due to his lack of DPS he couldn't hold to much aggro, not to mention he doesn't get Dash, so making him chase something was rather painful to watch.
HandsOfDeath wrote:
Other pets I've thought of getting are Gorillas and Warp Stalkers. How good are they for a pet?
Gorillas are nice AE tanks, because they are the only pet to receive an AE type ability. Again check Petopia for more specifics. Warp Stalkers are for show more so then anything else. Fun to have one at least once, but typically hunters stay away from them just because of their lack of skills or added dps. You won't find one until you get to the higher levels of Outlands anyway.
HandsOfDeath wrote:
The hunters on the server I play on all seem to use cats or wolves. Occasionally I see a Warp Stalker or Gorilla. I've never seen a spider, turtle or almost anything else used as pets.
Cats are one of the better DPS pets as of today. Wolves add a nice party buff for physical damagers. For raiding purposes you'll see most people with a Ravager or a Wind Serpent just for the added DPS.
Although as said before, if you're just leveling your hunter, pick something that you'll enjoy leveling with. When the expansion hits you'll be able to customize your pet even more, not to mention each one gets their own "Special Ability" that's unique from the other pets. We'll also eventually get 5 stable slots instead of 3.
So after WotLK spiders and all others will become better? That's good to know. I haven't read too much into it, due to it being in beta still and things will change. One example I saw at Petopia, one of the beasts in it (I think was a new boar) was removed with the last beta version.
By the sound of it, I'll probably go with a spider for my main pet, even though they don't have anything special right now.
Thank you for your help.
By the sound of it, I'll probably go with a spider for my main pet, even though they don't have anything special right now.
Thank you for your help.
Come wrath, I shall have a crab.
Level a cat all the way, don't even worry about anything else until you get to 70. A cat can take a hit, put out nice dps, and learn prowl (hehe). Once you get to 70 and start doing pvp or pve you should really look at what pets to get. General rule of thumb is Ravager for dps in raids, scorpid for arena (due to scorpid poison and thus one more thing to dispell), boar for bg's/arena (due to charge stun effect).
You can by all means get a pet that aesthetically pleases you, but end-game demands a little more attention.
You can by all means get a pet that aesthetically pleases you, but end-game demands a little more attention.
I'm all about the Windserpents for leveling! ^_^ At lower levels, the difference in DPS is negligible, but it has more health and armor than cats and ravagers- and they look cool!
Once you get to level 70, and want to dabble around in heroics and raiding, you might be better off with a ravager until you hit really end-game stuff like Black Temple.
Once you get to level 70, and want to dabble around in heroics and raiding, you might be better off with a ravager until you hit really end-game stuff like Black Temple.
Being only level 10, I'll probably grab a cat, to start with. I'll drop it later, for something I'd enjoy running around with more.
I'm a pve player. Not big on pvp, bg or arena.
I'm a pve player. Not big on pvp, bg or arena.
The 3 slots for pets at the moment does not exactly mean you can have 3 permanent pets as you need to learn new pet skills from new pets , so really is only 2 pets.
My advice is whatever area you are in look up any beasts with skills you want and stable your main pet/pets and go tame them , and try all types of pet as each hunter likes different classes of pet , my thoughts at the moment say boar as it is the only low level that has a fast attack and will eat anything .
Spiders are cool i have used them and no problems with them and yes it seems when the new expansion comes they will be better skilled.
Turtles have great health but that is about it as they are not great at doing real damage compared with other pets.
Gorillas have Stomp but a long cooldown so not exactly great i found , but can be used , again i think will be better when the "king " comes out .
Warp Stalkers i love and have a great fun attack that works well for me , even more fun as you can probably remember the ??? of thinking where did that come from when being attacked by one . So for me a great pet.
The thing to remember is at low level and through the levels there are no real bad pets , just some are better than others and it is possible to level with a pet only trained in growl , admittedly a little slower but still possible , just do not train Cower as it is next to useless and i know very few that even think about using it.
With flying pets you will either like or loath them as they can annoy with the wings flapping , but i like them and the ranged attack of some like the Wind Serpents takes a little getting used to as they draw the mob towards them , and the screech that some can learn can get annoying but to me is not that bad.
So as i said go out and try all types as soon each will be getting better skills so each will be worth having .
My advice is whatever area you are in look up any beasts with skills you want and stable your main pet/pets and go tame them , and try all types of pet as each hunter likes different classes of pet , my thoughts at the moment say boar as it is the only low level that has a fast attack and will eat anything .
Spiders are cool i have used them and no problems with them and yes it seems when the new expansion comes they will be better skilled.
Turtles have great health but that is about it as they are not great at doing real damage compared with other pets.
Gorillas have Stomp but a long cooldown so not exactly great i found , but can be used , again i think will be better when the "king " comes out .
Warp Stalkers i love and have a great fun attack that works well for me , even more fun as you can probably remember the ??? of thinking where did that come from when being attacked by one . So for me a great pet.
The thing to remember is at low level and through the levels there are no real bad pets , just some are better than others and it is possible to level with a pet only trained in growl , admittedly a little slower but still possible , just do not train Cower as it is next to useless and i know very few that even think about using it.
With flying pets you will either like or loath them as they can annoy with the wings flapping , but i like them and the ranged attack of some like the Wind Serpents takes a little getting used to as they draw the mob towards them , and the screech that some can learn can get annoying but to me is not that bad.
So as i said go out and try all types as soon each will be getting better skills so each will be worth having .
I'm also trying out a hunter alt for the first time. After much reading though, I still can't figure out how often I should be taming a new pet. At level 10, I tamed one of the Elwynn boars. Since the little boar doesn't have Bite though, I'm tempted to tame a Coyote Packleader in Elwynn next time I log on. I suspect that almost immediately after I've learned Bite and Furious Howl, I'll want to tame a Goretusk (or Greater Goretusk) in order to have a boar again.
So, three different pets tamed in the span of 3-4 levels. Am I on the right track? Is there any advantage to learning as many of the low-level pet skills as possible? Is there something else I should be taking into consideration? Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
So, three different pets tamed in the span of 3-4 levels. Am I on the right track? Is there any advantage to learning as many of the low-level pet skills as possible? Is there something else I should be taking into consideration? Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Here's my philosophy on pets while leveling - do whatever will help you level the fastest. There are a few things that help with this
1 - Movement. Granted pre-32 you can't get dash/dive (they require 30, but good luck taming one with it pre-32) so you're limitted to a boar here IF movement is your thing.
2 - DPS. The more damage your pet deals out, the more threat as well, and so the more damage you can deal out before pulling aggro. Not to mention the quicker both of you deal damage, the quicker your grind is. That is why I am currently levelling with a cat, although raptors, ravagers, and wind serpents are all very good DPS pets.
3 - Control. Birds (bats are my favorite for their DPS output) have screech, which allows them to hold multi-mob aggro. This way you can mend pet and even multi-shot without pulling aggro, as long as you let him get a few screeches in first.
So, three different pets tamed in the span of 3-4 levels. Am I on the right track? Is there any advantage to learning as many of the low-level pet skills as possible? Is there something else I should be taking into consideration? Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Consider that you will out-level most of these skills, so I'd recommend only learning the skills you plan on using. In LK they will automatically get the skills anyway, and they will jump to 5 levels below you if they're low level, so there's no point in learning 20 different skills at level 12 if you can only have 4 of them. What I would do is pick the pet that you want (based on looks, skills, etc) and then look at what skills it can learn on petopia, then go out and learn those skills so you can teach it to that pet when you get it.
While it may be fun switching pets around every other level, it's also a pain because you have to get the pet's loyalty up (another change in WotLK as loyalty will be removed). Loyalty determines how often you have to feed your pet (more loyalty, less feeding) and how many training points your pet has. At level 70, a ravager with loyalty level 1 would only be able to learn growl, with 2 would not even be able to learn max rank of dash, bite, and gore, but at loyalty level 6 would be able to use a full 350 training points.
After giving advice, here's what I did on my latest hunter:
At level 10, I just started messing around with different pets. I had a dragonhawk, a wind serpent, and a bat, and finally settled on a cat in the mid-20's. This is because it really doesn't matter too much, but cat's are tied for 2nd on DPS and they can learn dash so I'm going to take him through to outlands. When I hit outlands I will be taming a ravager that I will keep until WotLK comes out, at which point I will pick pets based on the utility needed for a particular raid.
1 - Movement. Granted pre-32 you can't get dash/dive (they require 30, but good luck taming one with it pre-32) so you're limitted to a boar here IF movement is your thing.
2 - DPS. The more damage your pet deals out, the more threat as well, and so the more damage you can deal out before pulling aggro. Not to mention the quicker both of you deal damage, the quicker your grind is. That is why I am currently levelling with a cat, although raptors, ravagers, and wind serpents are all very good DPS pets.
3 - Control. Birds (bats are my favorite for their DPS output) have screech, which allows them to hold multi-mob aggro. This way you can mend pet and even multi-shot without pulling aggro, as long as you let him get a few screeches in first.
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So, three different pets tamed in the span of 3-4 levels. Am I on the right track? Is there any advantage to learning as many of the low-level pet skills as possible? Is there something else I should be taking into consideration? Any advice you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Consider that you will out-level most of these skills, so I'd recommend only learning the skills you plan on using. In LK they will automatically get the skills anyway, and they will jump to 5 levels below you if they're low level, so there's no point in learning 20 different skills at level 12 if you can only have 4 of them. What I would do is pick the pet that you want (based on looks, skills, etc) and then look at what skills it can learn on petopia, then go out and learn those skills so you can teach it to that pet when you get it.
While it may be fun switching pets around every other level, it's also a pain because you have to get the pet's loyalty up (another change in WotLK as loyalty will be removed). Loyalty determines how often you have to feed your pet (more loyalty, less feeding) and how many training points your pet has. At level 70, a ravager with loyalty level 1 would only be able to learn growl, with 2 would not even be able to learn max rank of dash, bite, and gore, but at loyalty level 6 would be able to use a full 350 training points.
After giving advice, here's what I did on my latest hunter:
At level 10, I just started messing around with different pets. I had a dragonhawk, a wind serpent, and a bat, and finally settled on a cat in the mid-20's. This is because it really doesn't matter too much, but cat's are tied for 2nd on DPS and they can learn dash so I'm going to take him through to outlands. When I hit outlands I will be taming a ravager that I will keep until WotLK comes out, at which point I will pick pets based on the utility needed for a particular raid.
I suggest keeping one pet to grind out the levels with. I mostly agree with skribs. A boar is best until the early 30s. Once you can tame a carrion bird, switch to one of those. The screech AOE and dive are great. Carrion birds have a much easier to satisfy diet than a bat. Meat is easy to find. Fungus and fruit can be tough.
I kept my boar from RFD since I like him. He does fine for most things. The screech AOE is hard to beat when fighting multiples. If you want to level quickly that is the way to go. However I got tired of the flapping wings in my face, so I put him in the stable a lot of the time.
You will want to tame a new pet every few levels. Go read up over at Petopia. Whenever you level up enough that an animal becomes available for you to tame that has a skill you don't yet have, go get him! Put your regular pet in the stable and head out. Pick up a 'trash' pet along the way. You'll likely need some sort of pet to fight your way over to the location of the new animal you wish to tame. You can dismiss the trash pet once you've cleared your path to the new animal and are ready to tame it.
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 9:32am by ItsaGaAs
I kept my boar from RFD since I like him. He does fine for most things. The screech AOE is hard to beat when fighting multiples. If you want to level quickly that is the way to go. However I got tired of the flapping wings in my face, so I put him in the stable a lot of the time.
You will want to tame a new pet every few levels. Go read up over at Petopia. Whenever you level up enough that an animal becomes available for you to tame that has a skill you don't yet have, go get him! Put your regular pet in the stable and head out. Pick up a 'trash' pet along the way. You'll likely need some sort of pet to fight your way over to the location of the new animal you wish to tame. You can dismiss the trash pet once you've cleared your path to the new animal and are ready to tame it.
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 9:32am by ItsaGaAs
Pets are extremely subjective. Much depends on what you are doing with the toon and getting a pet to tailor to that.
Right now, things are very generic. Petopia is the best resource for all this and you have all the way from vanity pets to 'useful' ones to purpose need ones. Respeccing is common to the Hunter and the Pet for many folks. I only have one pet and respec him for what I'm focusing on at the moment.
WotLK will introduce a whole new set of wrinkles. Expect the Hunter class to further become enmeshed in min-maxing with certain Hunter builds and certain pet builds working together for certain goals.
It's looking like the Pets will roughly break down into the same zones a Hunter breaks down into. Generally speaking this would be: Levelling, PvP, Raid/Instance (PvE), and Generalists.
So you can probably expect pets to be tamed and groomed for those roles as well. You might have a PvE spec'd Hunter that does instances and raids most of the time but still have a PvP pet for the occassional BG or Arena match. Basically any combination of the group. With 3 'stable' slots, we will have 3-4 (depending on how the stable slots are implemented) pets to trade around.
It would be entirely possible for a "Jack of all Trades" (generalized) build to use a given 'specialized' pet to give them a good functionality in all areas. They probably wouldn't be as good at any area as a specialized hunter with a specialized pet for a given task, but they would probably be workable. They would probably be better than a specialized build in the wrong spec for a task with a specialized pet for that task. At least from everything I've seen so far, this seems plausible, I won't know until I get into WotLK.
However, I'd like to point out that anything at this point is all conjecture until about 6-8 months after release of WotLK, and even then, things can be reworked with major patches. Such is the way of WoW.
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 10:42am by sloshot
Right now, things are very generic. Petopia is the best resource for all this and you have all the way from vanity pets to 'useful' ones to purpose need ones. Respeccing is common to the Hunter and the Pet for many folks. I only have one pet and respec him for what I'm focusing on at the moment.
WotLK will introduce a whole new set of wrinkles. Expect the Hunter class to further become enmeshed in min-maxing with certain Hunter builds and certain pet builds working together for certain goals.
It's looking like the Pets will roughly break down into the same zones a Hunter breaks down into. Generally speaking this would be: Levelling, PvP, Raid/Instance (PvE), and Generalists.
So you can probably expect pets to be tamed and groomed for those roles as well. You might have a PvE spec'd Hunter that does instances and raids most of the time but still have a PvP pet for the occassional BG or Arena match. Basically any combination of the group. With 3 'stable' slots, we will have 3-4 (depending on how the stable slots are implemented) pets to trade around.
It would be entirely possible for a "Jack of all Trades" (generalized) build to use a given 'specialized' pet to give them a good functionality in all areas. They probably wouldn't be as good at any area as a specialized hunter with a specialized pet for a given task, but they would probably be workable. They would probably be better than a specialized build in the wrong spec for a task with a specialized pet for that task. At least from everything I've seen so far, this seems plausible, I won't know until I get into WotLK.
However, I'd like to point out that anything at this point is all conjecture until about 6-8 months after release of WotLK, and even then, things can be reworked with major patches. Such is the way of WoW.
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 10:42am by sloshot
My two cents: Get something you can enjoy, and stand to look at as early as possible and try to stick with it. Because deciding at level 70 you want that cool level 26 undead boar from RFK is a nightmare.
Thanks for the additional input.
I think I'll end up with a spider (pet a mainly want to use) and something for help with leveling, like a boar or cat. 3rd pet spot sounds like it's for taming new pets, just to get new pet abilities to teach to my other pets.
Hardest part about this will be picking a spider. Giant spider size or tarantula size, is what I'm leaning towards.
Deathskitter (giant spider) sounds promising, but is a lvl 64 elite mob in Outlands, so I won't get that one for a while. Petopia says it's immune to frost traps. I read it's difficult to tame, but would a tamed one also be immune to frost traps?
I think I'll end up with a spider (pet a mainly want to use) and something for help with leveling, like a boar or cat. 3rd pet spot sounds like it's for taming new pets, just to get new pet abilities to teach to my other pets.
Hardest part about this will be picking a spider. Giant spider size or tarantula size, is what I'm leaning towards.
Deathskitter (giant spider) sounds promising, but is a lvl 64 elite mob in Outlands, so I won't get that one for a while. Petopia says it's immune to frost traps. I read it's difficult to tame, but would a tamed one also be immune to frost traps?
I suggest passing on spiders until WotLK comes out. Spiders don't have any good skills. All they can do is bite and growl. They don't have a dash or dive. They've no unique skill either.
Pick one from Petopia's 'recommended' or 'popular' lists. You'll note spiders fall in the 'other' list, a nice euphemism for nearly worthless. ;)
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/browse/browse_families.php
Edited, Aug 21st 2008 2:15pm by ItsaGaAs
Pick one from Petopia's 'recommended' or 'popular' lists. You'll note spiders fall in the 'other' list, a nice euphemism for nearly worthless. ;)
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/browse/browse_families.php
Edited, Aug 21st 2008 2:15pm by ItsaGaAs
But DarkRein stated that you should get something you enjoy seeing with you. I made my hunter, aiming to get a spider. I'm personally not fond of any of the recommended pet families on petopia.
As I said though, I'd get a spider to keep up with my levels. I'd also have another pet, possibly a cat, to do most of my playing with.
I don't want a pet I hate looking at.
As I said though, I'd get a spider to keep up with my levels. I'd also have another pet, possibly a cat, to do most of my playing with.
I don't want a pet I hate looking at.
All pets will work. Some will definitely work better than others though.
Note: this is purely for leveling. If you're raiding get an appropriate pet whether you like the looks or not.
Edited, Aug 21st 2008 6:49pm by Ieatrocks
Note: this is purely for leveling. If you're raiding get an appropriate pet whether you like the looks or not.
Edited, Aug 21st 2008 6:49pm by Ieatrocks
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