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Can't decided which would be more benificial to the rogue end game...LW or Engineering? Can you get really useful LW epic patterns for rogues or should I just go for to toys?
For PvE/Raiding = Engineering (Goggles) and Leather-working (Drums)
For PvP = Engineering (Goggles) and Jewel-crafting (Panther Trink)
Level with gathering professions helps with the massive amount of gold and mats a new 70 needs.
For PvP = Engineering (Goggles) and Jewel-crafting (Panther Trink)
Level with gathering professions helps with the massive amount of gold and mats a new 70 needs.
Mining and enchanting. Rogue enchanters have the unique ability to farm old instances like no other class.
Endgame crafted items will not make nearly as big a difference to your gaming experience as having buckets of gold will.
Endgame crafted items will not make nearly as big a difference to your gaming experience as having buckets of gold will.
Quote: Rogue enchanters have the unique ability to farm old instances like no other class.
Except maybe druids. You know jack of all trades, master of all...wait or is is jack of all trades master of none...Sadly got it right the first time=P
Except maybe druids. You know jack of all trades, master of all...wait or is is jack of all trades master of none...Sadly got it right the first time=P
EonSprinter wrote:
Mining and enchanting. Rogue enchanters have the unique ability to farm old instances like no other class.
Endgame crafted items will not make nearly as big a difference to your gaming experience as having buckets of gold will.
Endgame crafted items will not make nearly as big a difference to your gaming experience as having buckets of gold will.
I was gonna write something similar to this.
>_>
Good point, enchanting can be a great money maker and shouldn't be over-looked. But.... For high-end raiding, what costs are enchants, gems, consumables and repairs. All of which are easily paid for with dailies once you've bought your epic flyer. After the "Kara Upgrade Sticker Shock", ya just don't upgrade often enough for gold to be an issue if you're doing even a few dailies a week. The goggles won't get upgraded until well into t6 content and the drums are just invaluable in raids.
For PvP it's even easier (in a way) to deal with enchant/gem costs as you have a much better idea of when an upgrade will happen. And, again, the goggles won't be switched out until s4 (and I'd personally take the goggles over s4) and there isn't anything comparable to the panther as far as I know. But I'm not an expert on PvP by any stretch. Perhaps I'm wrong here.
With two gathering professions while leveling you can easily save up the gold (I'd shoot for 10-12k) for all the awesome 70 goodies (flyer/epic flyer, gems, mongoose x2, etc) and then drop them to take on the crafting ones which really only shine in 70 content.
Of course, just my opinion. The only reason my main raider (therion linked below) is still mining/engineering is that we have 3 LWs in my current raid group. If we didn't I'd get them drums fast as you can say "How much for Light Hide on the AH?"
For PvP it's even easier (in a way) to deal with enchant/gem costs as you have a much better idea of when an upgrade will happen. And, again, the goggles won't be switched out until s4 (and I'd personally take the goggles over s4) and there isn't anything comparable to the panther as far as I know. But I'm not an expert on PvP by any stretch. Perhaps I'm wrong here.
With two gathering professions while leveling you can easily save up the gold (I'd shoot for 10-12k) for all the awesome 70 goodies (flyer/epic flyer, gems, mongoose x2, etc) and then drop them to take on the crafting ones which really only shine in 70 content.
Of course, just my opinion. The only reason my main raider (therion linked below) is still mining/engineering is that we have 3 LWs in my current raid group. If we didn't I'd get them drums fast as you can say "How much for Light Hide on the AH?"
TherionSaysWhat wrote:
Good point, enchanting can be a great money maker and shouldn't be over-looked. But.... For high-end raiding, what costs are enchants, gems, consumables and repairs. All of which are easily paid for with dailies once you've bought your epic flyer. After the "Kara Upgrade Sticker Shock", ya just don't upgrade often enough for gold to be an issue if you're doing even a few dailies a week. The goggles won't get upgraded until well into t6 content and the drums are just invaluable in raids.
For PvP it's even easier (in a way) to deal with enchant/gem costs as you have a much better idea of when an upgrade will happen. And, again, the goggles won't be switched out until s4 (and I'd personally take the goggles over s4) and there isn't anything comparable to the panther as far as I know. But I'm not an expert on PvP by any stretch. Perhaps I'm wrong here.
With two gathering professions while leveling you can easily save up the gold (I'd shoot for 10-12k) for all the awesome 70 goodies (flyer/epic flyer, gems, mongoose x2, etc) and then drop them to take on the crafting ones which really only shine in 70 content.
Of course, just my opinion. The only reason my main raider (therion linked below) is still mining/engineering is that we have 3 LWs in my current raid group. If we didn't I'd get them drums fast as you can say "How much for Light Hide on the AH?"
For PvP it's even easier (in a way) to deal with enchant/gem costs as you have a much better idea of when an upgrade will happen. And, again, the goggles won't be switched out until s4 (and I'd personally take the goggles over s4) and there isn't anything comparable to the panther as far as I know. But I'm not an expert on PvP by any stretch. Perhaps I'm wrong here.
With two gathering professions while leveling you can easily save up the gold (I'd shoot for 10-12k) for all the awesome 70 goodies (flyer/epic flyer, gems, mongoose x2, etc) and then drop them to take on the crafting ones which really only shine in 70 content.
Of course, just my opinion. The only reason my main raider (therion linked below) is still mining/engineering is that we have 3 LWs in my current raid group. If we didn't I'd get them drums fast as you can say "How much for Light Hide on the AH?"
With an unlimited money pool... you can BUY anything better than craftables from a guild. T6 chest for 10k? Sure why the hell not. If money is no issue, you rgear isn't either.
I agree with Therion for the most part on this one. Yes, enchanting can make you a ton of money when leveled all the way up, but with the exception of selling mats on the AH the only way to make money from enchanting is having the good enchants(ie. mongoose, soulfrost, etc..). Enchanting mats sell well, but so do leather and ore/bars. Alot, of people power level their professions when they get to 70. Jewelcrafting being one that gets powerleveled alot from my experience. I would say herbalism is better to have as a profession than skinning, but only because alot of people use skinning to level with because its easy to level. Alchemy is one of the easier profs to level by just buying mats off the AH so you will always get money from that. Enchanting can be easily level because rogues can stealth like Eonsprinter said, but its easiest to level when already at 70. If you do two gathering profs and just sell all the mats on the AH than you should have alot of money to get your mounts on time, and even help level the first few levels of whatever professions you choose in the long run.
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MYteddy wrote:
you can BUY anything better than craftables from a guild. T6 chest for 10k? Sure why the hell not. If money is no issue, you rgear isn't either.
Yeah, I'm sure this goes on but I doubt it's common. Maybe I'm sheltered ;p But... I suppose that because I wouldn't consider doing it this way that my view is biased to a "traditional" progression viewpoint.
The gear to me is only a means to an end. Helping me (and my raid groups) succeed in content progression is the point of upgrades. Other people see the gear as the symbol of their accomplishment, so its acquisition is the end in and of it's self. Different strokes for different folks ;)
MYteddy wrote:
TherionSaysWhat wrote:
Good point, enchanting can be a great money maker and shouldn't be over-looked. But.... For high-end raiding, what costs are enchants, gems, consumables and repairs. All of which are easily paid for with dailies once you've bought your epic flyer. After the "Kara Upgrade Sticker Shock", ya just don't upgrade often enough for gold to be an issue if you're doing even a few dailies a week. The goggles won't get upgraded until well into t6 content and the drums are just invaluable in raids.
For PvP it's even easier (in a way) to deal with enchant/gem costs as you have a much better idea of when an upgrade will happen. And, again, the goggles won't be switched out until s4 (and I'd personally take the goggles over s4) and there isn't anything comparable to the panther as far as I know. But I'm not an expert on PvP by any stretch. Perhaps I'm wrong here.
With two gathering professions while leveling you can easily save up the gold (I'd shoot for 10-12k) for all the awesome 70 goodies (flyer/epic flyer, gems, mongoose x2, etc) and then drop them to take on the crafting ones which really only shine in 70 content.
Of course, just my opinion. The only reason my main raider (therion linked below) is still mining/engineering is that we have 3 LWs in my current raid group. If we didn't I'd get them drums fast as you can say "How much for Light Hide on the AH?"
For PvP it's even easier (in a way) to deal with enchant/gem costs as you have a much better idea of when an upgrade will happen. And, again, the goggles won't be switched out until s4 (and I'd personally take the goggles over s4) and there isn't anything comparable to the panther as far as I know. But I'm not an expert on PvP by any stretch. Perhaps I'm wrong here.
With two gathering professions while leveling you can easily save up the gold (I'd shoot for 10-12k) for all the awesome 70 goodies (flyer/epic flyer, gems, mongoose x2, etc) and then drop them to take on the crafting ones which really only shine in 70 content.
Of course, just my opinion. The only reason my main raider (therion linked below) is still mining/engineering is that we have 3 LWs in my current raid group. If we didn't I'd get them drums fast as you can say "How much for Light Hide on the AH?"
With an unlimited money pool... you can BUY anything better than craftables from a guild. T6 chest for 10k? Sure why the hell not. If money is no issue, you rgear isn't either.
The things that you take LW and Engineering for (drums and engi goggles) aren't replaced easily.
If you can get the X44 pattern (which you can, as it's not BoP and drops from SWP trash), you've gotten one of the best helms in the game. CVoS and the T6.5 helm are the only things better, and usually guilds don't sell those.
LW chest is the best in the game as well.
Edit: and drums are not replaceable at this current time in raiding. Nothing else gives as significant a DPS boost as a drum rotation in the melee group from a profession.
Edited, Aug 19th 2008 12:51pm by Theophany
I think of it this way - todays epics are tomorrow's garbage (see: my armory)
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
EonSprinter wrote:
I think of it this way - todays epics are tomorrow's garbage (see: my armory)
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
Get a gem in that neck socket son!
Actually since I transfered, my current armory profile is Here.
That's an epic hit gem hanging off my neck.
Edited, Aug 19th 2008 5:41pm by EonSprinter
That's an epic hit gem hanging off my neck.
Edited, Aug 19th 2008 5:41pm by EonSprinter
EonSprinter wrote:
I think of it this way - todays epics are tomorrow's garbage (see: my armory)
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
Completely not true. With the way that Blizzard is handling professions (especially THE PvE profession--LW), LW will always have some easy gear to get that you don't need to waste DKP on, that's comparable, if not better than the gear that's in the current game.
Look at Carapace and the X44 goggles. Do you have any idea how few rogues have CVoS or Duplicitous Guise? CVoS is an Illidan drop, and Duplicitous Guise drops from Kil'jaeden.
I don't know what you've been smoking in your absence, Eon, but you need to get your head straight.
I think my opinion on this stems from my belief that having the greatest gear possible isn't necessary for success in the game. For instance, a raid for of players wearing season 3 pvp gear defeated illidian. Granted, these players must have had uncanny skill and co-ordination - but the fact remains that they were geared incorrectly by all definitions.
So would I rather have a piece of gear that affords me ten extra dps, or a big fat sweaty wad of money?
I'd go for the money.
Though I can understand why you disagree with me, Theo.
So would I rather have a piece of gear that affords me ten extra dps, or a big fat sweaty wad of money?
I'd go for the money.
Though I can understand why you disagree with me, Theo.
Illidan isn't a hard fight in the least.
It's an easy fight as long as you're not a complete moron.
In fact, it's one of the easiest fights in BT.
With regards to gear, it all comes down to whether you're a min/maxer or you just don't care. If you don't care, you don't belong in T6.
It's an easy fight as long as you're not a complete moron.
In fact, it's one of the easiest fights in BT.
With regards to gear, it all comes down to whether you're a min/maxer or you just don't care. If you don't care, you don't belong in T6.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Illidan isn't a hard fight in the least.
It's an easy fight as long as you're not a complete moron.
In fact, it's one of the easiest fights in BT.
With regards to gear, it all comes down to whether you're a min/maxer or you just don't care. If you don't care, you don't belong in T6.
It's an easy fight as long as you're not a complete moron.
In fact, it's one of the easiest fights in BT.
With regards to gear, it all comes down to whether you're a min/maxer or you just don't care. If you don't care, you don't belong in T6.
Only if you discount the first four for being an absolute cake walk.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
EonSprinter wrote:
I think of it this way - todays epics are tomorrow's garbage (see: my armory)
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
But gold doesn't ever go out of fashion.
Completely not true. With the way that Blizzard is handling professions (especially THE PvE profession--LW), LW will always have some easy gear to get that you don't need to waste DKP on, that's comparable, if not better than the gear that's in the current game.
Look at Carapace and the X44 goggles. Do you have any idea how few rogues have CVoS or Duplicitous Guise? CVoS is an Illidan drop, and Duplicitous Guise drops from Kil'jaeden.
I don't know what you've been smoking in your absence, Eon, but you need to get your head straight.
I heard they are nerfing the drums in the xpac.
EonSprinter wrote:
Actually since I transfered, my current armory profile is Here.
That's an epic hit gem hanging off my neck.
Edited, Aug 19th 2008 5:41pm by EonSprinter
That's an epic hit gem hanging off my neck.
Edited, Aug 19th 2008 5:41pm by EonSprinter
Next step is getting those stam enchants off your gloves/wrists. AP wrists, AGI gloves.
EDIT: And the armor on your legs.
Edited, Aug 20th 2008 12:37pm by ThomasMagnum
I knowwww I knowww.
Actually the biggest upgrade I could get right now would be a new arena team, heh...
ROLL A DURID ON MAH SERVER!!!1!
Actually the biggest upgrade I could get right now would be a new arena team, heh...
ROLL A DURID ON MAH SERVER!!!1!
Yea no sh*t, I need a new team...scratch that, need a team. You roll a druid on my server! Theo even said it's a shi**y PvP server to begin with, and I can't even put together a 1600 rating...
The solution is obviously both of you rolling on Draka. I mean, MYteddy is already there.
And yes, Salwrathis, drums are getting nerfed to the point where you only need one in a group (IIRC). Might as well be the rogue, since he's not bringing anything else to that group.
(And because we get some nice, easy to acquire gear from LW.)
And yes, Salwrathis, drums are getting nerfed to the point where you only need one in a group (IIRC). Might as well be the rogue, since he's not bringing anything else to that group.
(And because we get some nice, easy to acquire gear from LW.)
Honestly, I would much prefer to be on Draka with you guys, but the only reason I started playing this crappy game again is because the woman wanted me to protect her in BG's. She's tried PvP Servers. She doesn't dig 'em. She's the boss of me.
Mass pve server re-roll?
Mass pve server re-roll?
Draka is a PvE server. ;)
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Draka is a PvE server. ;)
Boo!
I've honestly wondered how BG/Arena's go coming from a pve server....does your battlegroup consist of some decent pvp servers, or is there just a higher concentration of decent pvpers on your pve server? Am I making sense? I'm hallucinating at my desk after hours of mindless conference calls for our new software rollout.
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